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The Guardian: The Palestinians taught the Arab world how to mount intifadas


In another glaring example of the Guardian’s capacity to romanticize and glorify the use of violence to achieve political ends, while simultaneously showing a callous – indeed malicious – disregard for the real world consequences of such acts, today’s editorial (Middle East: Obama weaves an uncertain path, May 20) on President Obama’s speech on the Middle East included this chilling passage:

The leaders of Fatah and Hamas were obliged to reconcile by the forces stirring the Palestinian street. The negotiators of Fatah had stopped negotiating, and the fighters of Hamas had stopped fighting. Both had to respond to a simple idea: if one million Egyptians can fill Tahrir Square demanding Palestinian rights, why can’t Palestinians, who taught the Arab world how to mount insurrections, and mounted two intifadas of their own.

While official Guardian editorials sometimes employ sentences vague or blurry enough to plausibly deny that they are actually supporting violence, this passage is not compromised by such rhetorical obfuscation. 

It seems quite clear that the Guardian sees the initiation of violent intifadas which target innocent men, women, and children as a cultural and political achievement, something admirable – the Palestinians’ gift to the Arab world. 

However, not only is such wanton violence (which claimed over 1100 Israeli lives between 2000 and 2004) morally indefensible, it represents, in the culture of violence and death it nurtures, the supremely destructive values – of hate, intolerance, and nihilism – which continue to prevent the political and social progress necessary for Palestinian statehood.

In short, their continuing belief, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that violence is the only true path to statehood continues to feed Israeli suspicions that jihad is not a means to a peaceful solution, but is an end in itself – a malevolence towards the Jewish state which will not be sated by Palestinian sovereignty.

The Palestinians’ continuing glorification of such “jihad”, and violent “intifadas”, is perhaps the single biggest obstacle to their national aspirations – a profound political pathos which is continually nurtured by the Guardian.   

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  1. The Palestinians also taught the world about terrorism, plane hijackings and suicide bombs

    • And, most importantly, they mastered the art of victimological propaganda, with the help of nazi and soviet material and in full collusion with the western left..

      • Talking of which, sent to me by a friend:

        To the tune of “Three Lost Sheep” and accompanied by floods of self-pitying tears:

        We’re silly Pals who have lost their way
        Waah, waah, waah
        Mired in self-pity the live-long day
        Waah, waah, waah

        Islamists on a hating spree
        Coexistence? No not we!
        Dumped by their Allah, (wise girl she)
        Waah, waah, waah.

  2. True to their Marxist roots, the Guardian love a good rally. It’s not the potential positive outcome to Egypt that they’re glad about- they just like seeing the power of the crowd. Much like Facists, really, same superficial gut reaction.

    Of course there’s a flip side to the power of masses- If in ten years time a million Muslim men would march in Trafalgar demanding certain Muslim “rights” and the dismantling of parliament, would the Guardian still romanticize it?

    Err…

    • “If in ten years time a million Muslim men would march in Trafalgar demanding certain Muslim “rights” and the dismantling of parliament, would the Guardian still romanticize it?”

      Of course. It would be “racist” to resist their demands.

      Boittom line is the kowtowing uk is going down the tubes, at a progressively fast rate.

      http://www.boycottscotland.com

  3. You also need to add the thousand + Palestinians who died in that process.

    Both sides lose lives as a result of violance rather than negotiations.

  4. It was that throwaway phrase that likewise stood out for me – negatively, of course – in that article.

    But it’s not clear at all that the Guardian sees violent intifadas as “a cultural and political achievement, something admirable”.

  5. “In short, their continuing belief, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that violence is the only true path to statehood”.

    Hypocrisy is too mild a word for this. Have you people forgotten that Israel came into being via terrorist gangs attacking the British (who had actually been rather pro-zionist), and massacres and ethnic cleansing targeting the Palestinians?

    • Hypocrisy is too mild a word for this. ” sencar

      yeah, and this coming from you, the master of half-truth, fuzzy logic and
      lack of contest.

      Repeating lies won´t work. Goebbels already tried this and the result was
      50 million corpses. Well, maybe that´s what you really want deep inside: millioins of jewish corpses. Won´t happen, though.

      • Sorry, I meant “lack of context”…though in the hypocrisy area, no one can contest prof. sencar´s abiliity.

      • The trouble is, SerJew, that you don’t dispute my charge of hypocrisy. or the substantial issues about the foundation of israel.

        • “The trouble is, SerJew, that you don’t dispute my charge of hypocrisy. or the substantial issues about the foundation of israel.” sencar

          Trouble is, doc, that people don´t want to waste time once again with your lies, that were endlessly demolished here and elsewhere, but which you insist in repeating in the classical Goebbelians fashion to score propaganda points. This tactic of posting non-sense and then whine about having your “points” ignored, is tiring, boring and old. But that´s
          all you are capable of doing as “arguments”. Truly rudimentary for a self-styled “truth/logic” seeker, don´t you think?

          Besides, a major hypocrite such as yourself doesn´t have any credibility whatsoever to accuse others.

        • sencrap, I have yet see you dispute the litany of islamofascist barbarism perpetrated to people and cultures all over the world.

          Zionism isn’t the problem.

          IslamoFASCISM is the problem.

          And if you dispute that, ask yourself, why did Pakistan and India almost have a nuclear war over a land dispute?

    • Israel came into being as a result of a UN resolution.

      the British (who had actually been rather pro-zionist) – if by pro-zionist you mean restricting Jewish immigration to a trickle at a time when Jews were being exterminated en masse,then,yeah,they were pro-Zionist

      The above resolution resulted in massed Arab armies attacking the new state;horrors of war were inevitable,like the Jerusalem road massacre;

      ethnic cleansing – apart from the 6 million Arabs who remain in Gaza,Israel,and the WB of course.Not very good ethnic cleansing was it,compared to,say,Jordan’s ethnic cleansing of Jews from the WB when it occupied it,or,the Jew-free status of most of the Arab world.

      Are there any other countries you attempt to delegitimize,or is it just Israel?

    • Moral equivalence fail again.

      The acts of the Etzel and the Lehi were cruel necessity even in their own eyes. In contrast, the terrorism by Arab imperialists is an integral and unrepented part of their modus vivendi. IOW, they take pride in it. And they raise their children to be suicide-murderers, something Jews have never done.

      The Etzel and the Lehi sought to drive Britain off the Land of Israel. For them to be equivalent to Hamas, their goal would have had to be the Jewish conquest of Britain itself.

      “…and massacres and ethnic cleansing targeting the Palestinians?”

      The faux-Palestinian nation hadn’t yet been invented. The acts of the Etzel and the Lehi were counterterrorism against Arab terror that had flared up from 1929 at the very least.

  6. sencrap, Unlike your fellow islamofascist swine who…

    – bomb buses and the underground in London on 7/7/05
    – murder British policewoman Yvonne Fletcher – a snipers shot from the libyan embassy
    – hijacked 4 planes and flew them into office towers,
    – kidnapped people and produced videos of the captives having their throats slit and beheaded whist shrieking allahu akbar.
    – placed bombs on commercial airliners like Pan Am 103
    – dynamited two 1,500 year old Buddahs in Bamiyan Afghanistan
    – murder 180+ school children in Beslan
    – sexually assaulted journalists Lara Logan in tahrir square egyt
    – openly threaten europe with massacres
    – engage in current day slavery in sudan and mauritania
    – perform public executions of gay teens, hanging them from construction cranes
    – perform honour killings of their own children for some supposed slight to family “honour”
    – ethnically cleaning islamofascist regimes of Jews
    – assassinate US Presidental candidate Senator Robert F. Kennedy
    – bomb and murder Coptic Christian people in “arab spring” egypt

    The more that islamofascists kill each other, the better off the world is.

    Sadly the uk has UNCONDITIONALLY SURRENDERED to progressive islamofascism.

    • Thank God I’m an Infidel

      If you want me to respond to you, please post something that relates to my points rather than incoherent rantings.

      • “please post something that relates to my points rather than incoherent rantings. “sencar

        Why don´t you reciprocate, at least for once? Have you noticed that essentially what you do is to repeatedly post your boring list of anti-Israel
        lies, half-truths and everything out of context?

        Surely you do. That´s your little obsession. Well, then, don´t expect people to take you seriously, prof.

  7. I really have to wonder whether posters like sencar are actually working for certain elements in Israeli society. In order for there ever to be peace between Israel and the Palestinians there will have to an agreement between the two parties (the notion that Israel can be destroyed militarily is completely delusional). For that to happen the trust of Israelis is going to have to be sought and won. Now, can anything be more calculated to lose the trust of Israelis than the kind of hate speech, lies and half-truths engaged in by sencar and his fellow travellers on this forum? The truth is that they almost certainly don’t care about peace in the Middle East. They are only here to spew hatred against the Jewish state for its own sake. It’s the kind of thing we have grown used to over the centuries.

    The point is that in thread after thread these people are destroying any reasonable chance of debate. They spew their hatred and inevitably and rightly posters will react. CiF Watch is going to have to engage in some better form of “crowd control”. I can see the difficulties involved but the alternative is even worse. At the moment the posts above the line are absolutely sans pareil. Below the line, the threads really are not worth looking at. I read Harry’s Place threads assiduously. Here my eyes have started to glaze over. More than anything it seems a shame that the sterling efforts of people like Adam Levick are being harmed by such loathsome individuals.

    • “The truth is that they almost certainly don’t care about peace in the Middle East. ” Hoi Polloi

      After the many attempts of engaging with those people, particularly “prof”
      sencar, which like to present himself as an “objective” critic, we have ample evidenced the they SURELY don´t care about peace nor about palestinians. They only care about themselves and in their jew-hatred, period. Of course, they mask their hatred as “anti-racism”, “humanitarian concern” and all that posturing, because in the current PC-climate it´s still considered bad to be explicitely anti-semitic. One of the aims of CiF is to provide a forum in which this last barrier is eliminated. And in this perspective that would be positive because fighting an upfront enemy is
      better than giving the benefit of the doubt to proven cowards that aren´t capable of assuming their hatred openly.

      “They are only here to spew hatred against the Jewish state for its own sake. It’s the kind of thing we have grown used to over the centuries.” hoi polloi

      Ditto. It´s their hobby, pure and simple. It gives them a purpose in life.


  8. Palestinians, who taught the Arab world how to mount insurrections, and mounted two intifadas of their own.

    Hmmm, yes, let’s think about how they did that:

    insurrections: throwing their rivals off the tops of buildings and assassinating colleagues and rivals
    organizing campaigns of random knifings of unarmed passers-by
    catching kids out hiking and stoning them to death
    machine gunning busloads of kids
    taking a school captive and massacring the children

    intifadas: blowing up civilian men, women and children using buses and cafes
    drive by shootings of people peacefully out driving to home or work
    hijacking cars and shooting the women and children therein
    breaking into a school for religious study and gunning down 8 students
    catching some soldiers who strayed into their territory, lynching them, tearing them apart, then triumphantly displaying their bloodstained hands and the violated bodies
    breaking into the home of a sleeping family and murdering the parents and three small children
    making regular broadcasts on your EU-funded media channel promoting the most grisly anti-semitic lies and stereotypes
    celebrating the above acts in broadcast sermons from officially endorsed preaches in officially endorsed mosques
    having ceremonies celebrating perpetrators of the above and commemorating them through street posters and street names.

    Sounds like the sort thing Seumas Milne would have written. Or perhaps William Hague.

  9. What a bunch of retards. The Palestinians mounted numerous “insurrections” against Lebanon and Jordan and failed miserably. Jordan wiped out 20,000 Palestinians over night.

    God it’s like the Guardian has turned into the mouthpiece for the PLO.

  10. “….the Palestinians who taught the Arab world how to mount insurrections….”

    if anything should read…the Palestinians who taught the Arab world(if it took the time to notice) how to NOT mount insurrections….after all the Palestinians have made such a success of it all (cough)

    might I suggest ignoring posters who simply repeat the same troll like posts over and over, its simply meant to antagonize…… All I can think of is the old chestnut “Your ugly and your mother dresses you funny”

  11. Its simply amazing how much disinformation the Guardian can pack into a few lines. They are a sort of black hole for truth:

    “The leaders of Fatah and Hamas were obliged to reconcile by the forces stirring the Palestinian street”.

    Not true. It is clear the the “reconciliation” was forced on them by the new Egyptian leadership

    “The negotiators of Fatah had stopped negotiating, and the fighters of Hamas had stopped fighting”.

    It is considerably more accurate to say that Fatah never negotiated in good faith, and Hamas, while firing rockets and sending in suicide bomvbers, never fought.

    Both had to respond to a simple idea: if one million Egyptians can fill Tahrir Square demanding Palestinian rights,

    There was almost no mention of Palestinian rights in Tahrir Square – it was all about getting rid of the Mubarak regime, and Egyptian rights

    “why can’t Palestinians, who taught the Arab world how to mount insurrections, and mounted two intifadas of their own”.

    Why can’t the Palestinians what??

    have a third intifada???

    Because even the lunatics who run the Palestinian rent-a-mobs realize that after each intifada they were in a vastly worse situation.

    Unlike latte-sipping columnists for the Guardian writing from Hampstead.

  12. exactly. the guardian are inventing up more shit to promote and incitement and legitimize the palestinian govermnent to the west – which answers to the EU/US than to their own people (after all, who funds them? Not Palestinians.)

    the guardian is in it for the $$$$. normalized relations with israel and *gasp* peace would end their biggest cash crop. even guardian editors admit they have an obsession with israel.