General Antisemitism

CiF reader comment of the day: Bashing bankers, bashing Jews


Under the CiF essay, “Muslims proud to be British? There’s something to learn from the surprise, by Mark Greer, there was this comment, by someone using the Occupy@ inspired moniker “BankerBasher, which took a full day before being deleted by CiF Moderators.

 

How kind of our friend to acknowledge that not all Jews, merely those of the Israeli variety, love terrorizing Palestinians.

Yes: Islamists, EDL, Nazis, and Zionists.

As far as “a few loonies”, nearly 3 in 4 Palestinians believe that suicide bombing against civilians is justified in certain circumstances.

But, who can be concerned with such pesky empirical data regarding the continuing problem of Palestinian extremism when the media and right wing Israeli governments can be blamed?

 

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    • Pretzelberg seems to think that saying all Jews love nothing better than terrorising Palestinians is not Jew-bashing.

      Is it worth taking notice of what he says?

      • Pretzelberg seems to think that saying all Jews love nothing better than terrorising Palestinians is not Jew-bashing.

        Eh??

        You might want to re-read the CiF post (note the semicolon and the “just because” bit) – and then retract your comment.

        Hell – you could even apologise!

    • Pretz,
      I think he was trying to write “All the Jews…” but he missed up the word “the” and the capital J…

      And that in the same breath as moaning about people who use stigmas and generalising about one ethinicity.

  1. pretzelberg thinks he is correct because Muslims are demonised based on the actions of a few, which BB the poster says is as silly as saying that the EDL represents all white people, or that all Jews love nothing better than terrorising Palestinians, just because of the action of the right wing Israeli government. He is blind as always to the implication made in this pernicious post that the present authorities in Israel enjoy such tormenting, a grossly libellous and unsavoury opinion and the proper subject of the condemnation this article demands.

    • I didn’t like BB’s post either (and you are welcome to make a retraction there) – but you have deliberately avoided the point of my post, i.e. that the poster BB was not “bashing Jews” (as the headline suggested).

      Will you apologise, epidermoid? Or are you too desperate to win back friends among the nutters on this site after getting such a toasting recently (for having the cheek to condemn the “nuke the Arabs” comment – even if for the wrong reasons)?

      • 34 votes – and not a single response in word.

        Says it all about the cowardly neanderthals who have sadly infested this website.

  2. pretzelberg

    “i.e. that the poster BB was not “bashing Jews” (as the headline suggested).”

    He suggests that some Jews in Israel, guided by their government which has the temerity to be right wing, (an insufferable sin), enjoy tormenting Palestinians, but that not all Jews should be condemned which of course would be as bad as if all Jews were punished because a minority of them drink the blood of Christian children. He was bashing Jews with the soft innuendo that masks men of similar moral incapacity.

    • which of course would be as bad as if all Jews were punished because a minority of them drink the blood of Christian children

      What a pathetic comment.

      And while I disagree with BB’s talk of the Israeli government “terrorising” Palestinians, it has hardly “grossly libellous”.

      • Mein kleines Pretzelchen, the fact that you are too stupid to understand plain English is not our problem.

        If there is anyone “pathetic” on this website it is you.

  3. “And while I disagree with BB’s talk of the Israeli government “terrorising” Palestinians, it has hardly “grossly libellous”.”

    BB’s talk of Jews loving nothing better than terrorising Palestinians as an extension of the presumption that the Israeli government loves it just as much. This is merely a variation on a theme of great historical importance that has lead to great injustice. As such it as libellous as the others for which it is a coded substitute. Grossly so.

    • BB’s talk of Jews loving nothing better than terrorising Palestinians as an extension of the presumption that the Israeli government loves it just as much.

      But BB does NOT make that extension! His comment was specifically about the government – and hardly “grossly libellous”.

  4. epidermoid you are trying to reason with someone who would start an argument in an empty room and lose it. It’s a waste of energy.

    Ignore him just as you would an intransigent five year old.

    • Hilarious! For merely challenging the “grossly libellous” claim!
      Snigger resorts to ad hominems because they have no real arguments to counter.

      And 8 thumbs up! This site really does attract a high proportion of double-digit IQ people. Such a shame.

  5. Snigger, I am the mother of two people who each used to be five years old. Neither one of them was ever as ridiculous as our resident village idiot.

    • More ad hominems! And as ever: zero arguments of any substance.

      And again the chimps (or is it sheep?) agree en masse.

      Pathetic.

  6. Folks, can you please look past your evident dislike/antagonism towards Pretzelberg, and address the point (which I agree with):

    1. BankerBasher’s point was that it is RIDICULOUS to tar all Jews with the same brush because of the actions of a few. I think we’d all agree with that, right?

    2. OK, he shows in his post a presumption that the “right-wing Israeli goverment” “enjoys” terrorising Palestinians. That’s distasteful and wrong, but it is not anti-semitic. It’s a political opinion.

    3. Adam’s article accuses BB of “bashing Jews” of accusing all Israelis of enjoying terrorising Palestinians and of equating Zionists with the EDL/islamists/nazis. He does none of the above.

    4. Therefore, Pretzelberg was entitled to criticise the simplistic and cartoonish treatment of BB’s post and does not deserve the slating he has received as a result.

    5. I do not expect any positive ratings for this post, as it is clearly not 100% critical of anyone who disagrees with the line that everything and everyone associated with Israel is absolutely wonderful and must be free of any criticism.

    • on your point 5, Goonerell, I am certain none of us think what you call our line.

      It is a harsh and almost impossible world for Israel and those who support her will not go down any negative byeway.

      There is also fact involved here. Jews don’t terrorise anyone and Muslims terrorise and murder many tens of thousands, very often other Muslims. It isn’t “the media” distorting.

      • Ariadne

        I don’t dispute what you say about Muslim terrorism for a moment. However, I find your comment that “Jews don’t terrorise anyone” to be rather naive. As with any group, we are not immune to having extremists and nutters in our midst, and while I will forever dispute the idea that Jews, Israelis or Zionists are as a group guilty of terrorism, it can’t be denied that there have been *some* people who have committed what you would be quick to call terrorist acts if committed by Palestinians.

        Indeed, Israeli courts have convicted Israeli Jews for such acts (quite rightly and properly). They may not have called these acts terrorism, but the effect is the same. In fact, we trumpet the fact of such convictions as indesputable evidence of the difference between Israel and the regimes with whom she is expected to make peace, where terrorists are treated as heros and martyrs.

        • I am glad you make clear that Israeli courts do not go soft on Israelis who commit violence against anyone, let alone Palestinians.

          Why do you think the PA and Hamas glorify the “brave” lunatics who terrorise Israelis?

          Is Israeli “terrorism” as systematic and condoned by the rest of Israeli society, or justified in holy writ like Islamist terror?

          You are not really comparing like with like are you?

          • No, I’m not, and you will never find me justifying or condoning the disgusting glorification of terrorism that goes on in Gaza/WB. I’m just saying that I don’t think BankerBasher did this either, and neither did Pretzelberg, yet both have come in for some fairly unnecessary (in my view) personal attack on this site because of their comments.

      • on your point 5, Goonerell, I am certain none of us think what you call our line.
        (everything and everyone associated with Israel is absolutely wonderful and must be free of any criticism)

        You must be joking. Criticism of Israel is automatically voted down here.

        And then there’s the recent “nuke the Arabs” comment – which got the full thumbs up!

        Why don’t you speak out against the hatemongerers on this very site?

    • can you please look past your evident dislike/antagonism towards Pretzelberg

      Fat chance of that, mate. Most of the posters here are full of hatred. Criticism of Israel? Damn them!

      Did you see the recent “nuke the Arabs” comment? It got the full thumbs-up BTL!

      That’s the kind of people you’re dealing with here now.

      There were many/mostly reasonable posters when this site started out – but the loonies have sadly since taken over.

      • SORRY pretzels!

        You must have never seen videos of the Islamofascist President of the Islamic Republic of Iran leading a rally of fellow Islamofascists in a genocidal chant.

        Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: “Death to Israel”

        or

        Hamas: In Their Own Voices – Death to Jews / America

        I guess you’d rather sweep those videos under the rug because they demonstrate how disingenuous you are.

        • Ahmadinejad? Hamas? Nothing to do with my post – and you know it.

          But you seem perfectly at home with the “nuke the Arabs” comment. Which says a lot about you.

          Where’s the off-topic/trolling button?

          • I guess you’d rather sweep those videos under the rug

            I have condemned Ahmadinejad and Hamas countless times, of course.

            But carry on trolling, by all means. It only makes you look all the sillier.

            Thanks for the laugh. You really are a hoot!

            • “I have condemned Ahmadinejad and Hamas countless times, of course.”

              Really? Within this story, prior to your above silly comment, how many times have your denounced the president of the Islamic Republic or hamass??

              And YOU, of all people, condemn me of “trolling”.

              Now THAT is a laugh.

              • Really? Within this story, prior to your above silly comment, how many times have your denounced the president of the Islamic Republic or hamass??

                Now you really are making yourself look like a fool.

                In addition to the racist bigot you are anyway.

                  • Not at all. You won’t find a single racist comment either coming from or supported by me – and you know it.

                    Which makes you a pathetic liar on top of everything else.

                    You really know no shame, do you?

          • Yes pretzels, You harp on “nuke the Arabs” but “death to America”, “death to Israel”, “death to Britain”, “death to the Jews”, “death to the Vatican” seem to be off-limit to your little brain.

            I wonder why.

            • but “death to America”, “death to Israel”, “death to Britain”, “death to the Jews”, “death to the Vatican” seem to be off-limit to your little brain

              Again you are merely reaffirming the fact that you are a complete and utter fool. I have challenged such comments many times.

              YOU, however, have made no effort to challenge the “nuke the Arabs” call.

              Why don’t you leave this website before you disgrace it even more?

              • pretzels, “nuke the Arabs” is an angry response to Islamofascist calls for genocide of people all over the world.

                NYC, Washington, Shanksville PA, London, Bali, Halabja, Beslan, Mumbai, Israel, Lockerbie, Paris…

                Thank you pretzels for being such a compliant dhimmi.

                • “nuke the Arabs” is an angry response to Islamofascist calls for genocide of people all over the world.

                  Thanks again for yet more evidence of your racist bigotry, chump.