General Antisemitism

Indy’s political editor misrepresents David Ward’s vile Holocaust remarks


We recently reported on a Tweet by David Ward MP, which read “Am I wrong or are am I right? At long last the #Zionists are losing the battle – how long can the #apartheid State of #Israel last?”, suggesting that the Bradford East MP was relishing the inevitable destruction of the “apartheid” Jewish state.  Ward’s Tweet, on top of comments he made on Holocaust Memorial Day earlier this year, resulted in minor disciplinary action being taken against him by his party, the Lib Dems.

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David Ward, MP

Whilst the Guardian reported the most recent row somewhat fairly, a July 18 piece in The Independent, reporting on both Ward’s latest Tweet and his original Holocaust Day ‘reflection’ egregiously downplayed the latter. Nigel Morris, the Indy’s political editor, in a report titled “Liberal Democrats suspend MP David Ward over Israel comments on Holocaust Day“, wrote the following:

A Liberal Democrat MP who questioned the continued existence of Israel lost the party’s whip yesterday following a dressing-down from Nick Clegg.

David Ward, the MP for Bradford East, had previously been reprimanded by the party’s leadership over comments condemning Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians.

The issue came to a head after a new post on Twitter in which Mr Ward wrote: “Am I wrong or are am I right? At long last the #Zionists are losing the battle – how long can the #apartheid State of #Israel last?”

Of course, it is grossly misleading to write that Ward had been reprimanded due to comments “condemning Israel’s treatment of Palestinians”. The quote which caused the row specifically referred to Jews, and not Israelis.  Here it is:

“Having visited Auschwitz twice– once with my family and once with local schools … I am saddened that the Jews, who suffered unbelievable levels of persecution during the Holocaust, could within a few years of liberation from the death camps be inflicting atrocities on Palestinians in the new state of Israel and continue to do so on a daily basis in the West Bank and Gaza,” 

As the quote clearly indicates, Ward was castigating Jews as Jews for, a mere few years after liberation from the death camps in 1945, evidently not learning the correct moral lessons and thus beginning immediately to inflict atrocities on Palestinians.  

Jews, ‘of all people’, an exasperated Ward was in effect exclaiming, had visited upon the Palestinians a level of cruelty and violence which arguably evoke the crimes committed against their co-religionists in the death camps throughout Europe – a “they of all people” argument which Howard Jacobson aptly characterized as leaving the Jewish people doubly damned: to the Holocaust itself and to elevated moral scrutiny as a result of it.

 As Chas Newkey-Burden so eloquently wrote:

Let us strip the “they-of-all-people” argument down to its very basics: gentiles telling Jews that we killed six million of your people and that as a result it is you, not us, who have lessons to learn; that it is you, not us, who need to clean up your act. It is an argument of atrocious, spiteful insanity. Do not accept it; turn it back on those who offer it. For it is us, not you, who should know better.

Contrary to the extremely misleading passage by Morris, Ward did not simply condemn Israel for its treatment of Palestinians, but criticized Jews for their alleged collective amnesia over the Shoah, and their resulting ‘inhumanity’ towards others.  Jewish victims, Ward’s logic implies, have “sadly” become the new victimizers.

Ward egregiously crossed the line between criticising Israel and collectively criticising Jews, a huge moral distinction which the Indy editor should have easily identified. 

47 replies »

  1. But I’ve now discovered the truth behind Ward’s “the Zionists are losing the battle” quote.
    It was last month’s under-5s World Tiddlywinks Championships, where Israel lost to New Zealand’s ADHD-doped toddlers.

  2. Ward has also compared the treatment of Jews in WW2 Europe to the treatment the Arab Palestinians are recieving from 1948 to date.

    There is no comparison between the two.
    Those who say there is are either liars or been misinformed.
    Ward has been in both the concentration camps and in the WB / Gaza so he should know.
    I can only sraw the conclusion that he is a liar and as a result he is comlicit in potential hate crimes being commited both in the UK and globaly.
    He may also be complicit in violance inside Israel and the WB / Gaza because his words may bring preassure on Israel to carry out acts of appeasments carelessly and for the PA to assume they can push further in an armed struggle causing for the wheel to keep turning and more people on both sides get hurt.

    But Mr. Ward gets his muslim vote.
    Mr. Ward is also a racist by treating Muslim Arabs in the PA and Hamas like jouveniles and not like adults. He is removing all responsability to their actions from their hands.

    • Given the gravity of his various statements, the withdrawal of the party whip is not so much a slap on the wrists as a tap on the toenail.

      • Unfortunately, Pretz, he has not even had the party whip withdrawn, merely suspended. For most of the time the suspension is in force, Parliament is in recess anyway, so it’s less of a tap on the toenail than a gentle massage of the shoulders.

        • In that case I’ll see your gentle massage of the shoulders and raise with a whisper on the left elbow.

  3. Questioning the Apartheid State is not the same as questioning Israel – Just as questioning Apartheid South Africa was not questioning South Africa – South Africa is a perfect example. South Africa is no longer an Apartheid State for the Whites, it is a state for all its peoples and as such it still exists. Same could happen in Israel. It could become a State for all its peoples. It is a shame that racists try and read in any opposition to racism and fascism as an attack on a particular people. The opposition is not just to the barbarity of the Israeli state it is an opposition to its racist nature.

    • Hi Catherine (nice name by the way. Don’t know what was wrong with Deborah).

      The contrast with South Africa is pertinent. First of all, apartheid (as it existed in South Africa) is entirely absent from Israel. ALL Israeli citizens, regardless of ethnicity or religion, are free to vote, travel, work, own land etc etc, none of which was true in Apartheid South Africa. It is true that Palestinians (who neither are, nor wish to be Israeli citizens) have restrictions and are not permitted many of these privileges, but then so were Zimbabweans (white or not) under the apartheid regime of South Africa. The important distinction is THEY ARE NOT ISRAELI CITIZENS.

      Secondly, campaigns against apartheid South Africa were campaigns agaisnt the REGIME, not the existence of the state itself. Israel is UNIQUE in recent World history as the only sovereign nation whose very existence is questioned. THAT is what David Ward tweeted. “How long can the apartheid State of Israel last?”. He could have tweeted “How long can apartheid in the State of Israel last?” But he didn’t. He called for an end to “the State of Israel”. THAT is a problem, don’t you think?

      • I don’t recall seeing Jew/non-Jew benches in Israel. Nor a separate parliament for non-Jews.

        Calling Israel an apartheid nation is simply preposterous.

    • Israel is racist in nature?

      Balls to you, sir.
      (for a a madame you are most certainly not)

      • I congratulate you on your intelligent repartee, pretzel. With comments like yours, CiFWatch is indeed lucky to have you around.

        Is the Wannsee far from your house?

        • Cynic: “Is the Wannsee far from you house?”

          Who said anti-Semites didn’t have a sense of humour? Ah, the hilarity or baiting the Jews while still coming out smelling of progressive roses. What would scum like you do without Israel as a fig leaf to cover your malice and spite?

          • Cynic, my apologies, I thought the Wannsee jibe was directed at Pretzel for being a German who supported Israel. (I’ll go away again now)

    • How about I question Catherine Brown’s lack of intelligence? Is by calling Catherine Brown a blowhard hate monger anything at all like calling her a racist hellbent on trashing Israel?

      It might help Cathering if there were some Arabs lynched on a daily basis. Or maybe some Jewish only water fountains. But, then, if I’m a hate monger racist hellbent on trashing Israel, I don’t need evidence to back me up. I’ve already exposed myself as a simpleminded twit in need of showing an unknown world my heightened sense of morality.

    • Israel is racist according to you, Ms Brown.

      It must trouble you that the Jews had the nerve to set up a state where they form a majority, with their capital city Jerusalem which was the historic capital of Israel for millenia. To prove racism you have to define it and show that Israel pracises a form of apartheid/racism.

      My guess is you can’t and are only here to cause a nuisance and waste our time.
      When it comes to Israel, a lot of lazy people have closed minds and glaringly open prejudices.

      As for the Indy’s political editor, what could we expect from a man working for a cartoon strip that imagines itself to be a quality newpaper?

  4. Labenal – As I understand Deborah is banned. Of course if you ask a Palestinian living in his house that do you recognize yourself as a resident of a Jewish house he will say no because any such recognition will be the denial of his ownership of the house. I appreciate that Apartheid South Africa was based on color as definition of race whereas Israel is slightly different in that respect. However, Israel still differentiates in law on the basis of race. That makes it Apartheid. Both Bishop Tutu and Mandela who both know more about Apartheid than either of us is ever likely to know have said Israel’s Apartheid is much worse than it ever was in South Africa. I rather take their word for it than of somebody who is a known apologist for racism.

    • Cathe-Rhine, do you have anything to say to the many Persians who are not shiite yet leave in a Shiite house?
      What about the many Saudis who are not Sunnis yet live in a Sunni house?
      What about the many Pakistanis who are not Muslim yet live in a Muslim house?
      Anything to say to them?
      What about the Greeks who are not Christian Orthodox?
      What about the Chinese who are not a part of their nation and would like to be recognised?

    • I live in America, which as you know, was populated by White Europeans. I live in the South, which as you may know, has had racial issues in the past. I live on the Eastside of my town, which you may not know used to be the Black part of town. I’ve lived here for 14 years. Couldn’t get a pizza delivered for the first 5. Since then, the property values have gone up, the Blacks have moved out, the White people (and I’m including one Indian from India, and a couple Asians) have moved in. I bought my house from a White man, but he bought the house from a Black couple who themselves bought the house from the original owners who were lucky enough to find a home near downtown after World War II even though my town was 1/10 of the size back then and being that close to downtown also meant having a highway run along the Western edge of our neighborhood.

      CATHERINE – WHO DO YOU BLAME FOR MY RACISM?

  5. Nazisse Catherine aka NS-
    Ismail/Alan/Deborah/Jim/Jason/Dirk/Nick/Natzie/Rob
    Amended by Gerald with Dopey/Grumpy/Sneezy/Sleazy/Tosse/Dorothy/Straw Man/Dick Head/Drek

  6. So they were says the racist cynic – Of course they are not misinformed? We all know what South African racism looked like. Mandela and Tutu experienced it first hand and than they saw Israel and the plight of the Palestinians – They thought the Palestinian are treated worse than the Blacks were in South Africa

    Here is the Bishop himself

    In 2002 Anglican Archbishop and Nobel Peace Prize winner Desmond Tutu wrote a series of articles in major newspapers,[182] comparing the Israeli occupation of the West Bank to apartheid South Africa, and calling for the international community to divest support from Israel until the territories were no longer occupied.[182] In an April 2010 open letter to the University of Berkeley, Tutu wrote “I have been to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, and I have witnessed the racially segregated roads and housing that reminded me so much of the conditions we experienced in South Africa under the racist system of Apartheid. I have witnessed the humiliation of Palestinian men, women, and children made to wait hours at Israeli military checkpoints routinely when trying to make the most basic of trips to visit relatives or attend school or college, and this humiliation is familiar to me and the many black South Africans who were corralled and regularly insulted by the security forces of the Apartheid government.”[183] In 2011, Tutu wrote an article for the Tampa Bay Times, arguing that Israeli apartheid is now so bad that only an international boycott can force Israel to change its policies.

    • Tutu should live up to his name and take up ballet instead of politics. He knows nothing about the Israel-Palestine situation except the soundbites and the Arab propaganda he’s been fed. As for you, all you’re capable of is copy and paste which shows you don’t have a mind of your own. Think you can persuade CifWatch that Israel is racist? Get back to the Guardian or Indy where you belong.

  7. Nazisse Catherine aka NS-
    Ismail/Alan/Deborah/Jim/Jason/Dirk/Nick/Natzie/Rob
    Amended by Gerald with Dopey/Grumpy/Sneezy/Sleazy/Tosse/Dorothy/Straw Man/Dick Head/Drek keeps bullshitting.

  8. Cynic is it because Tutu is Black that he has to be told what to think? You make a great point but as a racist. I disagree with you. Bishop Tutu has direct experience of Apartheid. He has himself visited Palestine and seen first hand and made up his mind. He has the capacity to come to his own conclusions about what he sees. Despite being Black, he does not need anybody to tell him what to think. I am going to take his opinion lot more seriously than the rantings of racist cynic like you.

    • Nazisse Catherine aka NS-
      Ismail/Alan/Deborah/Jim/Jason/Dirk/Nick/Natzie/Rob, amended by Gerald with Dopey/Grumpy/Sneezy/Sleazy/Tosse/Dorothy/Straw Man/Dick Head/Drek is a crckpot.

    • Catherine B. – why do you persist in projecting your own racist and patronizing ideas on to others? You and Tutu should visit the read world and not the fantasy world inside your heads. You could use a dip in a lake along with pretzelbum.

      • Who are you, and what are these Wannsee comments all about?

        I’m guessing you’re a banned troll/hate-merchant with a new moniker …

    • Catherine Brown(white),
      It’s really not for you to show up here and start calling people racists – especially you. There have been many black South African critics of Tutu, and many of them have criticized him specifically for his bigoted views on Israel, who have also visited Israel and think his characterization totally unjustified and also belittling to the struggle of blacks against the South African apartheid regime, for many of Tutu’s views on Israel are demonstrable lies and easily refuted. It’s people like Tutu and you, of the so-called “progressive consensus,” who run around telling people what they can and cannot think.

  9. Well you racist cynic – Tutu did visit the real world, he went to Israel and saw it for himself. As for me, I am not allowed in. What can I do racist immigration laws and all that. However, I think you would well to read the real history instead of the fantasized Zionist history.

    • ” As for me, I am not allowed in”

      Why?
      What reason, or reasons, for Israel refusing you entry and when did you apply to enter Israel?

    • This is hilarious. According to “Catherine”, anyone who criticises a black person is “racist”. Is that not rather a … racist … position to take?

      Just because Tutu is black, that doesn’t mean he is not also a deluded fool. His delusion is nothing to do with his colour – you, Catherine, are the only one making an issue of his colour.

      And how, incidentally, would you “understand” that “Deborah is banned”? I didn’t see the announcement on CifWatch. Could it just possibly be that you (whatever your real name is) tried to log on as Deborah and found yourself blocked from doing so. Therefore you set up a new phoney hotmail account and picked a new name? Am I close?

  10. Corr.
    Nazisse Catherine aka NS-
    Ismail/Alan/Deborah/Jim/Jason/Dirk/Nick/Natzie/Rob, amended by Gerald with Dopey/Grumpy/Sneezy/Sleazy/Tosse/Dorothy/Straw Man/Dick Head/Drek is a crackpot.

  11. Ask the IDF? why they refuse entry to those they think support the Palestinian. Do you want my id? I am not going to give that on a blog.

    • No what I asked was;

      “What reason, or reasons, for Israel refusing you entry and when did you apply to enter Israel?”

      Now either you were given reasons or you were not, it is quite a simple question to answer.
      When did you apply to enter Israel? Again another simple question. Surely you remember the date when you tried to enter and was refused.

  12. They said you are an undesirable person. Well you might ask why I am undesirable? Well I am not they are just racists who do not like anybody who stands up for the Palestinians.

    I am not going to answer any detailed questions about date time and place for obvious reasons.

    • “I am not going to answer any detailed questions about date time and place for obvious reasons.”

      Yes, the ‘obvious reasons’ being that you are a liar a fantasist, and have made the whole episode up in your fevered imagination.

      In ‘Romeo and Juliet’ Shakespeare wrote “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet”.
      In your case he would have written “No matter which name you use your Bullshit and lies still stink to high heaven.”

  13. Gerald and you will always be a racist. So tell me something new. Blame the victim as per usual. It is their fault. The do not mix do not except our generous conditions for occupying their homes. Typical.

    • ‘Catherine’
      I note that you do not attempt to refute the fact that you are a liar and fantasist.

      “Gerald and you will always be a racist” Oh ‘Catherine’ you forgot to add that I’m also a genocidal fascist maniac who is cruel to puppies and little fluffy bunny rabbits.
      To be called a racist by someone like you who also incorrectly calls Israel a racist Apartheid state is a badge I will wear with honour.

    • At some point, you’re going to occasionally NOT sound like a troll who swallows every lie-idiocy cocktail blend the far-Left mixes for her, is that fair to say?

  14. Another corr.

    Nazisse Catherine aka NS-
    Ismail/Alan/Deborah/Jim/Jason/Dirk/Nick/Natzie/Rob, amended by Gerald with Dopey/Grumpy/Sneezy/Sleazy/Tosser/Dorothy/Straw Man/Dick Head/Drek is a crackpot.

  15. For the life of me I simply don’t understand why anyone here chooses to engage with trolls . Starve them of response and they drift away . It ill behoves anyone to engage with BDS racists .

    • The point is that s/he keeps changing the moniker and it is not instantly recognisable for the posting community that it is always the same nazi and so they try to discuss with him. He use sthe discussion for repeating his smears, lies and defamations for propaganda and self empowerment.
      So we keep up the pressure by warning.