Corrections

CiF Watch prompts Indy correction – acknowledges that Arab towns were built since ’48


On May 7th we posted about Ben Lynfield’s column (Netanyahu’s ‘Jewish state’ law angers Arab Israelis, May 2) at the Independent, which included the following claim:

For example, while hundreds of new cities, towns and localities for Jews have been established since 1948, not a single new Arab town has been created

Whilst the suggestion that hundreds of “Jewish towns” have been established is itself very misleading (as we noted in our original post), the claim that “not a single Arab town has been created” is flat-out untrue. There have been 7 new towns built for the Arab Bedouin. (Bedouins are a sub-group with Israel’s Arab minority)

Since 1948, there have…been seven towns that the government planned and constructed for Bedouin residents of the Negev

Between 1965 and 1990, Israel indeed built seven new towns, which were able to absorb half of the Negev Bedouin…

The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR):

State-planned [Arab-Bedouin] towns…were set up in the 1960s and 1970s: Hura, Kseifa, Laqia, Arara, Rahat, Segev Shalom and Tel-Sheva.

We contacted Indy editors to point out the error, and they ultimately agreed that the claim was inaccurate – and revised the passage in question. 

It now reads:

For example, while hundreds of new cities, towns and localities for Jews have been established since 1948, not a single new Arab town has been created (aside from the seven settlements built specifically for the Negev’s Bedouin residents, which have been the source of considerable controversy). 

We commend Indy editors for responding positively to our complaint.

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  1. Of course it is not that Israel did not build any towns for the Arabs. It built 7 New concentration towns for the Bedouins as they move them off their natural habitat. I commend the Independent for the correction that also highlight the controversy around these new towns (Perhaps the Independent should have quoted Israeli government own report ) Israel’s has its citizens’ welfare at heart, particularly the welfare of the Bedouin (my addition and the desire for land grab)

    Instead of prosecution, Israel proposes to settle the conflict by offering extremely
    generous settlements in return for the withdrawal of the Bedouin’s ownership
    claims.

    I think the Bedouins are saying we are very grateful for your very generous offer but no thanks we prefer to keep our lands.

    • ” Israel’s has its citizens’ welfare at heart”
      Are you suggesting Tehran Jane that there is something wrong with that?

      To quote Marcus Cicero;
      “Salus populi suprema est lex.”

      But of course to you Tehran Jane living under a kleptocracy that is an alien concept.

      • The issue here is how can we ensure the equality of all Israeli citizens in a “Jewish state”, bearing in mind that one quarter of the population is not Jewish?

        • “The issue here is how can we ensure the equality of all Israeli citizens in a ‘Jewish state'”
          I’m assuming that you are British when I say, keep your hands to yourself. It’s not really your business. Doesn’t your own country have minority issues being handled rather badly?

    • “Moving them out of their habitat.” Unlike you, we don’t regard our citizens as animals.

      And who do you think you are to speak for the Bedouin?

    • Jane Mardell , why don’t you go the whole way and call the towns “concentration” camps? Tormenting Jews is a bit of a sport for you. I do not regard your choice of words as mere coincidence in this kind of discussion.

    • New concentration towns? Can you expalin that please?
      for the withdrawal of the Bedouin’s ownership claims. Claims that were rejected by the court becasue they couldn;t prove it. it wasn;t their land.

      The Bedouin are by no means the only people who can lay claim to the notion of being a “first people” in Palestine: Jewish attachment to the land predates Arab presence there by millennia. Indeed, of the countless groups that have lived in Palestine since antiquity, Jews are the only nation that can claim an uninterrupted presence on the land from biblical times to date—for a significant amount of the time as its rulers.
      Until the twentieth century the Bedouin of the Middle East, including those of the Negev, were livestock-raising nomads whose movements were dictated by a constant search for pasture and water.[43] It has long been noted that what characterizes the Bedouin is their relationship to the tribe, rather than to a specific place or territory
      Among the Bedouin tribes living in the Negev today, most view themselves as descendants of nomadic tribes from the Arabian Peninsula.[45] In fact, most of them arrived fairly recently, during the late eighteenth and the nineteenth centuries, from the deserts of Arabia, Transjordan, Sinai, and Egypt

      In the 1970s, about 3,000 Bedouin filed claims demanding that Israel recognize their full private ownership of hundreds of thousands of dunams of land in the Negev (1 dunam=1000 m2), including the right to sell. Israeli courts, basing their decision on Ottoman and British law, have consistently refused to sanction the Bedouin claims. The courts have decreed that the lands claimed were never allocated for private use, and that they are of the category of mewat (defined by the Ottoman land law as the area of waste land that lies beyond the carry of the human voice when uttered from the nearest habitation). It is public land and cannot be assigned as privately owned.[62] Currently, there are no claims before Israeli courts for collective land rights, and there is no expressed interest in land for collective grazing or for the maintenance of nomadic traditions.
      http://www.meforum.org/3254/negev-bedouin-indigenous

  2. Of course so the state steals from one ethnic group to benefit the other – what do they call it – ethnic cleansing – Just imagine when the balance tips – and the same process is used what would you call it? – As they say be careful on your way up as you will be coming down the same way as well. The Israelis have been very careless on their way up. Can you imagine the rough ride down?

    • Just imagine when the balance tips ? Yes we saw that in east Jerusalem and the west bank in 1948 not talking about close to 1 million Jews in arab countires. Israeli courts, basing their decision on Ottoman and British law, have consistently refused to sanction the Bedouin claims. The courts have decreed that the lands claimed were never allocated for private use, and that they are of the category of mewat (defined by the Ottoman land law as the area of waste land that lies beyond the carry of the human voice when uttered from the nearest habitation). It is public land and cannot be assigned as privately owned.

    • Jane when you are dreaming about the demise of the Jews are you touching yourself too? Or is this only some kind of spiritual masturbation? Do you really think that your threats will be taken seriously? Do you think that you are the first Nazi in history? Did you forget how every previous attempts to “sending us down” ended? Not with extremely embarrassing search for your own asses kicked to small pieces by us and search for suppliers replacing your shoes you threw away running? But if you want a replay no problem you are kindly invited to try. We only ask that next time don’t hide behind civilians and especially not behind children as your habit and culture dictate…

      • Peter, you are so classy. Is insulting a woman who is trying to engage in an informed discussion the only solution you found to mask your inability to debate?

        • Actually, I and probably some others have been wondering if Jane likes to touch herself when dreaming of the annihilation of Jews. Of course, this was not Peter’s main point nor is he incapable of mounting a far more convincing and factual argument than Jane could ever dream of, being the anti-Semitic ventriloquist’s dummy that she is. But we all understand that deflection is one of the big strategies used by you and your “friends” to take the heat of anti-Semites like Jane, and that the reality is that feminism comes in a distant second to “the cause” (nod nod, wink wink). Just repeat 100 times, the burka is a fashion statement, the burka is a fashion statement…

    • Jane: “Just imagine when the balance tips”

      Such perverse fantasies Jane, a utopia built on unreformed European malice where the Jews get what’s coming to them (again).

  3. I hate this monopolization of words by the Zionists. You are right I should have called it the concentration camps. After all, they are used to concentrate the Bedouins from their lands into these camps so that Jewish Israelis can benefit from the lands stolen from the Bedouins.

    • @ Jane M.No one’s monopolizing words. You clearly use them. I read them in the context of this discussion in the way I am entitled to. You do not debate but bate you do. Bedouin communities are being housed in towns where they live. Bedouins live in other parts. They are not all concentrated in one town, and quite frankly I’m out of this line of conversation. Go stew in your own juices

    • These camps? tell me do they have fences around those “camps” aren;’t they allow to move in and out freely?
      And do back your claimes by some sort of a source.

    • Jane: “I hate this monopolization of words by the Zionists”.

      So greedy and manipulative aren’t they Jane? Nick Griffin wrote a progressive treatise about Jewish mind control a few years back called ‘Who are the mind-benders?’ Zionist-free pseudo-intellectual dogma harbours the same hatred and prejudice whether it comes from SWP Jane or BNP Nick.

  4. NatziePampers aka Jane again demonstrates his brownshirt mindset, how cude
    You are right I should have called it the concentration camps

  5. Here is a perfect example of Zionist state in operation ethnically cleansing the Bedouins – in case anybody doubts it the quote is from
    http://www.mmi.gov.il/Osh/Aspx/DownloadTofes.aspx?Maarechet=71&TofesId=74&UserId=323&RO=True

    Israel is ready to compromise and compensate the dispersed Bedouins even
    without them having to prove their rights to the land. Although the Israeli
    government insists that it owns the lands occupied by the Bedouin dispersion, the
    state is prepared to grant immediate financial “compensation” and sometimes even alternative land to Bedouin who withdraw their ownership claims.

    • Tehran Jane I am still waiting for an answer to both of my earlier questions.
      To refresh your memory they are;
      First, ” Israel’s has its citizens’ welfare at heart”
      Are you suggesting Tehran Jane that there is something wrong with that?”

      Second, “Tehran Jane was my question too difficult for you?”

      And a fresh question. Are both of my questions too difficult for you?

  6. Thank you, Jane, for reminding us all that the pro-Palestinian fakers are really anti-Israel complainers. This knowledge might help you understand just why it is that you are a complete imbecile and total loser. Then again, you just may be dumber than corn in poo and, ergo, incapable of realizing that nothing you do is actually helping promote a Palestinian state. But, then, the last thing you really want is a Palestinian state. See, we all know that.

    • Not only these fake Palestinian right warriors don’t give a shit about the Palestinian case – they are causing the Palestinians tremendous damage.

  7. Kauf damn right I do not.

    I want one state in Palestine for all its peoples and no segregation based on faith or race – no compromises with racists enforcing Bantustans for some of the peoples living in Palestine.

    • So you want to see the end of the only Jewish state in the wrold . . HOw nice for you seeing how well christian are treated in arab coutnries and in PA and Hamas control areas do forgive us if we refuse to accept your offer.

    • First of all, Brain Drain, YOU don’t get to make these decisions. YOU are a hate monger. It’s quite easily seen in your messages about the APARTHEID NAZI REGIME of Israel — all of which is pure drivel and bullshit. So, #1, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to STFU.

      Second of all, Waste of Space, a deal has been on the table for 13 years that involves a Palestinian state which, from what we can all tell, will be Jew-free. The fact you want this one Palestinian state to encompass all is sort of laughable since the Palestinian leadership are the ones who don’t want Jews in their one state. So there’s that.

      Lastly, maybe what you need to do is kill yourself. Human shitstains serve no purpose for this planet. Please, you pathetic assmonkey of a loser, shove on back to Uranus.

  8. I love the colonialists when they think they know what is best for the natives. from the same source http://www.mmi.gov.il/Osh/Aspx/DownloadTofes.aspx?Maarechet=71&TofesId=74&UserId=323&RO=True

    The Bedouin’s claims are detrimental to the entire Bedouin population of the
    Negev. Agreement on the status of the land is vital for the ongoing development and construction of the Bedouin villages. In many cases, Bedouin lawsuits hinder the construction of new neighborhoods, the upgrading of existing village infrastructures, and the advantageous use of the land for the entire Bedouin population.

    • “I love the colonialists when they think they know what is best for the natives. ”

      Were you thinking of the Arabs, the Turks, the Romans, the Greeks or the Brits?

  9. alexa – It would be better for the Jews. They will again, begin to live in peace in the Middle East.

    • YOu mean they will be treated like dhimmis again. And they will be massacared again as they were long before the state of Israel existed. YOu may well belive the fairy tales of how jews lived peacefully facts however show us that it was nothing but fairy tales. We prefer to stay alive and free,. YOu are welcome to go and live in any arab coutnry you want to. Seeing how christian are fleeing all arab countries show you are not really concernd abnout us so please dont be an hypcorite as if you really care aobut Jews.

    • Why don;t we wait for the arabs to live in peace between themselves and than we’ll talk. I am not sure anyone of us will be around for that to happan.

    • In peace like the Christians in Sudan.
      But I can’t keep my tears back knowing that you know the best interest of the Jew. That you are carping about racism is simply beyond irony.

    • “alexa – It would be better for the Jews. They will again, begin to live in peace in the Middle East.”
      I love the colonialists when they think they know what is best for the natives.

  10. Among the Bedouin tribes living in the Negev today, most view themselves as descendants of nomadic tribes from the Arabian Peninsula.[45] In fact, most of them arrived fairly recently, during the late eighteenth and the nineteenth centuries, from the deserts of Arabia, Transjordan, Sinai, and Egypt

    They are no natives.

  11. So says a European colonialists – go and study history – Even the Israelite came from Egypt. So according to Monty Python’s history of Palestine no body lived in Palestine from 1 AD to 1700 AD until the nomands arrived from Arabia. Gosh. .

    • I did and found out that the coloinailist where the arabs occuier who came to this area in the 7th century ,
      Jewish attachment to the land predates Arab presence there by millennia. Indeed, of the countless groups that have lived in Palestine since antiquity, Jews are the only nation that can claim an uninterrupted presence on the land from biblical times to date—for a significant amount of the time as its rulers.
      Until the twentieth century the Bedouin of the Middle East, including those of the Negev, were livestock-raising nomads whose movements were dictated by a constant search for pasture and water.[43] It has long been noted that what characterizes the Bedouin is their relationship to the tribe, rather than to a specific place or territory.[44]

      Among the Bedouin tribes living in the Negev today, most view themselves as descendants of nomadic tribes from the Arabian Peninsula.[45] In fact, most of them arrived fairly recently, during the late eighteenth and the nineteenth centuries, from the deserts of Arabia, Transjordan, Sinai, and Egypt.

  12. alexa were those Jews also the sons of Abraham – who do you think the Arabs are? – Muslims have only existed since the 600 AD does that mean Arabs did not exist before. Who do you think laid the foundations of the Kaaba in Mecca? It was Abraham. Palestinians are more likely to have their lineage traced ti the Israelite than the Zionists that returned from Europe at the end of the 19th Century and after. Get a grip. Your perception of history is the same as that of racists of the Third Reich.

    • “Who do you think laid the foundations of the Kaaba in Mecca? It was Abraham”

      So you are writing, Tehran Jane, that the Kaaba is an ancient structure which has since been taken over and ever since dominated by Islamic imperialism.
      Much the same as you and the other Islamic imperialists would like to do to Israel.
      How unlike you to be honest.

    • Jews were allways liiving in Israel. when Muslim occupied this area jews were already living here . They never stopped. Lying about it like you do is just Jews hatred way.

  13. Did you not know how ancient the whole of the Middle East is? Obviously Zionist history is very limited both in its scope geographically and in time.

    • “Did you not know how ancient the whole of the Middle East is?”
      Yes, Tehran Jane, I do know that the whole of the Middle East is ancient and as you correctly wrote above pre-dates Islamic imperialism.

      As for anything being limited, the top of that list would be your knowledge of history, truth, logic and the English language.

  14. It would be better for the Arabs to negotiate, bearing in mind their miserable staus depending on the western culture and living on terms designed by the west, f.f. “Palestine”.
    Extremely funny that they use a normally colonialist called term to describe their fantasy land, on the other side it is quite revealing considering their miserable status.

  15. The Arabs suffered defeats since 1948, by a tiny minority. They never recovered.

  16. Fritz is that because of the superior minority race. After all another superior race from Europe ruled the waves and another European race went over to the Americas and wiped out the indegionous peoples of America.

  17. Of course not you are the indeginous people of Palestine now what would you have said if Herzl had his way and Israel was in Uganda. Would the the Ugandans no longer been indedinous? I am biginning to think this idea of the superior European Colonial race no longer compatible with facts on the ground.

    • Tehran Jane when you write “superior European Colonial race” what EXACTLY do you mean?
      As Europe is composed of several different races do you have one in mind?

    • But you see Herzel knew Jews wound;t come to Uganda because they have no historical conection to the area. However Jews were laready living in plaestine and have been for centuries. In 1860 Jews were the majority in jerusalem.

  18. Bedouin Arabs live in Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Jordan. Only in Israel is anybody offering to give them something.

    Rather than romanticize the tent camps and huts built from garbage, perhaps the Bedouin themselves would prefer indoor toilets and immunizations from disease, as well as schools for their kids.

    In any case, allowing the Bedouin steal well water destined to go to other Palestinians is not a human right. Please observe how they are NOT fleeing from Israel in order to maintain their lifestyle.

  19. What – So again, another colonialist knows what is best for the natives – where I have heard this before Robinson Crusoe?

    • What – So again, another colonialist knows what is best for the natives – where I have heard this before Robinson Crusoe?
      Remind my Abu Sackofshit who posted this sentence here only a day ago?
      It would be better for the Jews. They will again, begin to live in peace in the Middle East

    • “So again, another colonialist knows what is best for the natives.” Quiet right. The arabs think they know what is best for the Jews

  20. ElJazeera was showing a program on TV about the 1948 period in Palestine when The state of Israel was declared – They maintain that the Israeli pushed the Arabs out of Jaffa & Haifa but they conveniently omitted to say that Israel was facing an invasion from all side -The Arabs had vowed that they will push the new Israel and its inhabitant to the sea – So Beside being hammered from all side was Israel suppose to accept in the midst of all these attacks a third column from within ? Now they are all moaning about what they lost and what could have been. It is their BAD LUCK (IF TRUE) Everyone within the Arab world told them to take their belongings and leave as within a few days they would come back when the Israeli where annihilated. ALJAZEERA should get the basic facts before making a show with half truth – Perhaps it is the reason why they are being detained in Egypt !!!

  21. Elliot Palestinians luck is changing and I do hope that when the Palestinians begin to return to their towns and villages they will be magnanamous to their tormentors and not shrug their shoulders and just say bad luck

    • Palestinians luck is changing…
      Exactly. Every day the depth of shit they are sitting in is bigger. Enough to see their situation in Syria and Lebanon thanks to their Arab brethren.
      I do hope that when the Palestinians begin to return to their towns and villages they will be magnanamous to their tormentors and not shrug their shoulders and just say bad luck
      Are you threatening the PA and Hamas? The so called Palestinian refugees have the chance to settle in Israel the chance of a papillonfart in a tornado. But please start to hold your breath in waiting.
      BTW the magnanimity of your comrades:
      Avi Issachrov a well known leftist supporter of the Palestinians had to be saved from being lynched by his Palestinian colleagues. You must be proud that your brothers and sisters finally arrived from the tenth century to the fifteenth.

    • Tehran Jane the ‘Palestinians’ luck will change when they realise that to build a country it takes more than luck and involves a lot of hard work.
      The ‘Palestinians’ luck will change when they stop attempting to grab someone else’s country by relying on myths, lies and distorted history.
      The ‘Palestinians’ luck will change when they want democracy and are prepared to put in the hard work it will take to build a country.
      The ‘Palestinians’ luck will change when they get rid of the Fascist thugs of Hamas and the kleptocrats of Fatah.
      The ‘Palestinians’ luck will change when the stop relying on hand-outs and freebies from the West.

      But most important of all Tehran Jane, the ‘Palestinians’ luck will change when they realise that ‘supporters’ like you are causing them damage and only using them as pawns and a stick to beat Israel with.

    • In order for the Palestinian to return to those places they will have to eliminate the Jewish state ,very magnanamous of them. how about they will be magnanamous to their own people first .

  22. Hungarian that exactly proves my point sure Palestinians are angry at their tormentors and most are going to find it difficult to distinguish between the good and the bad Zionists that occupy their houses and villages in Palestine. Lucky this time that there were PA is still magnanamous towards their tormentors good or bad.

    • So according to your book not allowing to lynch a journalist is some kind of magnanimous behavior and to differentiate between friends and enemies is above the intellectual abilities to the Palestinians. You anti-Arab racism is simply amazing…

      • Hungarian no journalists were lynched. Two young Palestinians were shot dead by the occupiers. Get a grip.

        • You shouldn’t be saying this openly that the Arabs are morally and intellectually inferior. This is called racism Abu. Shame on you.
          Two young Palestinians were shot dead by the occupiers.
          Have you ever asked yourself that instead of whining and trying to attack Jews and whining again when they won’t let you to do it maybe this is the high time to start working for a living, to educate yourself in order to catch up with the rest of the civilized world?
          BTW you like to use expressions like “get a grip” without knowing at all what they mean. Certainly this is the reason behind the laughable incoherence of your posts.

          • Hungarian if you do not understand why do you respond? Does not make sense. Either you understand and respond accordingly or you are just saying things without any understanding of what you are saying. What is it Hungarian? Get a grip.

            • Why I’m answering? Very simple Abu. It is very amusing to provoke your incoherent crap showing the real face of your camp. Your rantings here are invaluable gifts to the Zionist cause.

  23. Jane Really what are you going about – No they will not be any differente to what they would have been in 1948 Get it into your head the Arabs hate JEWS & ISRAEL what do you think we are to expect – We know already -Is that clear to you or have you forgotten HISTORY So do not harp on this and that because we do expect anything good to happen if they took over – What happened to the JEWS who were kicked out of Tunisia Algeria Libia Egypt Libanon Syria Jordan etc etc those who manage left with their shirt on their back (An old one ) and their lives – No SAND CASTLE be realistic – We knowwhat the outcome will be.

  24. Gerald
    As reported in the Times of Israel – thngs are changing – and may be the PA will no longer be relying on the handouts from the West and Israel will have to start paying for its occupation –
    But even if they didn’t die of live fire, the source said, Fatah and other organizations were demanding that Palestinian defense officials cease coordination with Israel.

    “We don’t want an escalation,” he said, “but understand that the situation on the ground is in the brink of exploding.

    “We can act to calm the [people’s] sentiments, but it only takes one bullet to raise these feelings again,” he continued, noting that the PA has been organizing meetings to address continued security coordination with Israel.

    “We aren’t the South Lebanese Army,” he said, a reference to the militia group Israel once used as a proxy in southern Lebanon against the PLO and Hezbollah. “You must do something here in order to stabilize the situation. [There is] ongoing construction in the settlements, a refusal to freeze construction, and continued mistreatment of Palestinians.

    “There is now a hunger strike among the prisoners and the whole situation is very volatile,” he said. “We say to you, if conditions continue like this, we will pass over to you the mechanisms [of control] and you will have to deal with the situation.”

    Read more: PA official: Security ties with Israel in jeopardy | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-official-security-ties-with-israel-in-jeopardy/#ixzz31xqTddf0
    Follow us: @timesofisrael on Twitter | timesofisrael on Facebook

    • You are really so dumb believing that Israel needs the PA in order to keep Israel secure? The PA forces are the only force who can keep Abbas and his thieving cronies alive and save the Palestinians from themselves. If the PA security forces would not keep the order then the IDF will, no problem, but Abbas’ grave would be left unattended.
      This threat sounds like the hyena says the lion: Run lion, run, I can’t keep back the jackals and they will attack you…

      • That is the crux of the problem the Zionist entity sees itself the King of the Jungle and yet wants to be seen as a democracy. Well, others in the jungle may fear you but do not respect you. The main thing the Zionist entity has to learn that the region is not a jungle and the lion may have sharp teeth but as it ages the teeth are likley to lose their sharpness.

        • Well, others in the jungle may fear you but do not respect you.
          You don’t have the slightest idea of the size of the shit heap what i give about your respect Abu. If you leave us alone then you don’t have to fear, but if this fear keep yo in control then let it be.
          The main thing the Zionist entity has to learn that the region is not a jungle..
          Correct. In the jungle the animals wouldn’t slaughter each other because of their different religion or tribe as is the habit of the region’s population. Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Libya and the PA are much worse than the jungle.
          the lion may have sharp teeth but as it ages the teeth are likley to lose their sharpness. I understand then why are you trying its sharpness again and again. I don’t have any problem with this only you should stop whining after every unsuccessful attempt.

          • Hungarian – did the IDF killed the Palestinian teenagers because of their religion? Did they ask what was their religion before shooting at them? I thought Zionists were secular? Are you sure you are right that the IDF kills people because of their faith? Which faith is their prime target?

            • Cut the bullshit Abu. Try to concentrate to the actions of your own comrades in Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon and Nigeria and come back when you strted to understand what you are doing.

        • Actaully Israel learnt long ago that this region is a jungle and if you give an inch you are consider weak . In this region the only things people understand is strength. If you are strong people will respect you if you show any sign of weakness you will be attacked.

          • Alexa this is exactly why the lion of the jungle is losing its strength. Even the latest collapse of the peace talk has sapped away a great deal of the lion’s strength

            • Not really again you show lack of understanding of the ME. Anytime Israel gave away something to the Palestinian it was responded with terror attack. Do explain how the latest collapse of the talks sappeed away Israel strength.

              • Even the US now is repramanding Israel and saying it is heading towards the abyss. Do pay attention to what Kerry is saying minus his public apologies for saying it

                • I suggest you Abu leave the stuff you are smoking, it is definitely very damaging to your health. Or you know what? Do continue the self-abuse and let us laugh at your delusions.

            • Thank you for proving again that your aim is not to live in peace in your own independent state but to continue going down deeper in your shithole where the only air you are breathing is your hate of the Jews. I understand that it is worth the continued suffering. Keep it up Abu.

              • Yes Hungarian you are right just like the ANC we are refusing to live in our buntustans you will one day decide will be our home. We want to live in what we know to be our homes. You have no choice. Get a grip

                • I see you choose the option of remaining in the shit you have been living for the last decades. Your choice Abu.
                  And don’t take the word ANC in vain. You are light years away from it, they fought for their freedom, you are only dirtying the blogosphere with bloodthirsty wet dreams, damage the Palestinian cause and make a bad joke of it.

                • Tehran Jane when you write “we are refusing to live in our buntustans”
                  Who is WE?

                  And by ‘buntustans’ (sic) do you mean Bantustans?
                  If you do mean Bantustans which type?
                  I take it you are aware that there were different types in South Africa, independent states and self-governing entities and Bantustans in South West Africa, now known as Namibia

    • may be the PA will no longer be relying on the handouts from the West
      Do you really believe that they will start to work for a living?

  25. Eliot good point about history so what is the Nakba about and what followed in the rest of the Arab world was a reaction to the Nakba, Dier Yassin and amny other massacres – just go and read and here is excerpt from history – and keep in mind Nakba was in 1948 –
    The first large-scale exoduses took place in the late 1940s and early 1950s, primarily in Iraq, Yemen and Libya, with up to 90% of these communities leaving within a few years. The peak of the exodus from Egypt occurred in 1956. The exodus in the Maghreb countries peaked in the 1960s. Lebanon was the only Arab country to see a temporary increase in its Jewish population during this period, due to an influx of refugees from other Arab countries, although by mid-1970s the Jewish community of Lebanon also dwindled. In the aftermath of the exodus wave from Arab states, an additional migration of Iranian Jews peaked in the 1980s when around 80% of Iranian Jews left the country.

    I agree with you history must be studied and chronolgy must be attended to. To every oppression there will be a reaction and some of it will be ugly.

    As the Palestinians marked the Nakba two young Palestinians were killed at the hand of the occupiers. This is fuelling the Palestinian anger. Who can blame them.

    • The least I can say is that the PA will not be living off stolen goods or on stolen lands like your friends

      • Stolen goods? Your kefiyeh Abu? Maybe your superior technology? Anyway you are correct you are living on the donations and don’t have clue how you will to keep alive when these donations will dry up. How will you finance your medieval mentality without having your daily handouts from your donors?

    • I wonder why jews didn;t leave seeing the so many massacare carries by arabs agianst Jews.
      I’ll think I let Benny Morris answer you

      The demonisation of Israel is largely based on lies – much as the demonisation of the Jews during the past 2,000 years has been based on lies. And there is a connection between the two.

      I would recommend that the likes of Norris and Landy read some history books and become acquainted with the facts, not recycle shopworn Arab propaganda. They might then learn, for example, that the “Palestine War” of 1948 (the “War of Independence,” as Israelis call it) began in November 1947, not in May 1948. By May 14th close to 2,000 Israelis had died – of the 5,800 dead suffered by Israel in the whole war (ie almost 1 per cent of the Jewish population of Palestine/Israel, which was about 650,000). – Yours, etc,

      Prof Benny Morris, Li-On, Israel.

      • I am glad you mentioned Benny Morris he is my favourite Zionist historian unlike many others he is honest.

        Here is what he thinks about the massacres and the rapes that the ZIonist indulged in – right he does say that the Arab High command ordered the children and women to be removed from the villages. It would have been negligent of any leadership that expecting a massacre and was aware that is incapable of defending its villages not to have done so.

        So here is Benny
        The revised book is a double-edged sword. It is based on many documents that were not available to me when I wrote the original book, most of them from the Israel Defense Forces Archives. What the new material shows is that there were far more Israeli acts of massacre than I had previously thought. To my surprise, there were also many cases of rape. In the months of April-May 1948, units of the Haganah [the pre-state defense force that was the precursor of the IDF] were given operational orders that stated explicitly that they were to uproot the villagers, expel them and destroy the villages themselves.

        “At the same time, it turns out that there was a series of orders issued by the Arab Higher Committee and by the Palestinian intermediate levels to remove children, women and the elderly from the villages. So that on the one hand, the book reinforces the accusation against the Zionist side, but on the other hand it also proves that many of those who left the villages did so with the encouragement of the Palestinian leadership itself.”

        The revised book is a double-edged sword. It is based on many documents that were not available to me when I wrote the original book, most of them from the Israel Defense Forces Archives. What the new material shows is that there were far more Israeli acts of massacre than I had previously thought. To my surprise, there were also many cases of rape. In the months of April-May 1948, units of the Haganah [the pre-state defense force that was the precursor of the IDF] were given operational orders that stated explicitly that they were to uproot the villagers, expel them and destroy the villages themselves.

        “At the same time, it turns out that there was a series of orders issued by the Arab Higher Committee and by the Palestinian intermediate levels to remove children, women and the elderly from the villages. So that on the one hand, the book reinforces the accusation against the Zionist side, but on the other hand it also proves that many of those who left the villages did so with the encouragement of the Palestinian leadership itself.”

        • Abu Moron try to concentrate I’ll try to explain you for the last time.
          After the UN decided to split the Mandate the Jews accepted the decisions – the Arabs didn’t and started a war openly declaring that their intention is to kill every Jew they find.The consequent war was especially brutal – the first half of it was fought between irregular militias – no doubt both sides committed atrocities against the civilians of the other side.
          To sum it up, you started it and you lost. You can dream about slaughtering us until your last drop of sexual energy but it won’t help neither you not the Palestinian people. We are here – we will remain here, you won’t “return” here and we have some very strict rules that either you internalize or you go down.
          1. You leave us alone – we will leave you alone even we will help you to build your own state.
          2. You are messing with us you will be crushed – as you should have understood already learning from your previous experiences. (OK you are slow learners – but you had enough occasions already)
          3. You will be fully responsible for the consequences of your provocations and your consequent demise.
          I hope I helped you to understand the reality and the options of your future. No need to thank me – this was a public service given to you on volunteer basis.

          • You are clear as mud – and As Kerry says and Livni you have brought it on yourselt so hold tight. Descent is steep and painful. However, you look at it bantustan is a Bantustan and racists can live in it if they want but it is not for the rest of humanity. I hear Israel is about to decalre itself officially an Apartheid state.

            • Tehran Jane I asked you a couple of questions.
              Once again you do not answer.

              Is it because you do not understand what you are talking about and you just fling phrases around like an incontinent chimp flings around shit?

            • I somehow felt that you won’t understand my explanation Abu Worm. So please came and try to help us to descend. The 72 houris simply can’t hold themselves back waiting for you, pour souls don’t know yet that all they will get a crybaby who will explain off his impotence as the fault of the Jews.

            • I hear Israel is about to decalre itself officially an Apartheid state.But of course Abu Bullcrap. You hear other things too – I’m sure that in your worse hours you can hear the voices of Amin Husseini and the good old Fawzi Kaukji.

        • i hope you also read this of Benny Morris
          Madam, – Israel-haters are fond of citing – and more often, mis-citing – my work in support of their arguments.

          The demonisation of Israel is largely based on lies – much as the demonisation of the Jews during the past 2,000 years has been based on lies. And there is a connection between the two.

          I would recommend that the likes of Norris and Landy read some history books and become acquainted with the facts, not recycle shopworn Arab propaganda. They might then learn, for example, that the “Palestine War” of 1948 (the “War of Independence,” as Israelis call it) began in November 1947, not in May 1948. By May 14th close to 2,000 Israelis had died – of the 5,800 dead suffered by Israel in the whole war (ie almost 1 per cent of the Jewish population of Palestine/Israel, which was about 650,000). – Yours, etc,

          Prof Benny Morris, Li-On, Israel.

          • Alexa I did and possibly you did not understand me fuly. I said Benny is a Zionist historian. He does not deny the massacres and ethnic cleansing. He admits it with pride and asserts that it should have been carreid out to its conclusion. He is not the historian I like. He is a good reference for reality check and witness to the massacres and ethnic cleansing of 1948 carried out by the Zionist terrorists that went on to become the IDF.

            Here is Benny once again if there was any doubt. Chilloing is it not to read this 70 years after we overcame a similar nightmare in Europe

            • Ben-Gurion was a “transferist”?

              “Of course. Ben-Gurion was a transferist. He understood that there could be no Jewish state with a large and hostile Arab minority in its midst. There would be no such state. It would not be able to exist.”

              I don’t hear you condemning him.

              “Ben-Gurion was right. If he had not done what he did, a state would not have come into being. That has to be clear. It is impossible to evade it. Without the uprooting of the Palestinians, a Jewish state would not have arisen here.”

              When ethnic cleansing is justified

              Benny Morris, for decades you have been researching the dark side of Zionism. You are an expert on the atrocities of 1948. In the end, do you in effect justify all this? Are you an advocate of the transfer of 1948?

              “There is no justification for acts of rape. There is no justification for acts of massacre. Those are war crimes. But in certain conditions, expulsion is not a war crime. I don’t think that the expulsions of 1948 were war crimes. You can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs. You have to dirty your hands.”

              We are talking about the killing of thousands of people, the destruction of an entire society.

              “A society that aims to kill you forces you to destroy it. When the choice is between destroying or being destroyed, it’s better to destroy.”

              There is something chilling about the quiet way in which you say that.

              “If you expected me to burst into tears, I’m sorry to disappoint you. I will not do that.”

              • It is true that Ben-Gurion in 1937-38 supported the transfer of the Arabs out of the area of the Jewish state-to-be – which was precisely the recommendation of the British Royal (Peel) Commission from July 1937, which investigated the Palestine problem. The commission concluded that the only fair settlement was by way of partition, with the Jews receiving less than 20 per cent of Palestine, but that, for it to be viable, the 20 per cent should be cleared of potentially hostile, disloyal Arabs. (Britain, incidentally, at the end of World War II supported the expulsion to Germany of the German Sudeten minority, which had helped Hitler destroy and occupy Czechoslovakia – for precisely the same reasons.) The Arabs, then and later, rejected the principle of partition as well as the specific Peel proposals. Neither Ben-Gurion nor the Zionist movement ‘planned’ the displacement of the 700,000-odd Arabs who moved or were removed from their homes in 1948. There was no such plan or blanket policy. Transfer was never adopted by the Zionist movement as part of its platform; on the contrary, the movement always accepted that the Jewish state that arose would contain a sizeable Arab minority.

                But seeing as Morris is a zionist why not let the arabs speak for themselves

            • “..70 years after we overcame a similar nightmare in Europe”

              Tehran Jane now you claim to be part of the ‘WE’ who overcame a nightmare in Europe. Earlier on you claimed to be part of a ‘WE’ who are refusing to live in Bantustans.

              I ask you again, Who is WE?

    • “”The first large-scale exoduses took place in the late 1940s and early 1950s, primarily in Iraq, Yemen and Libya, with up to 90% of these communities leaving within a few years””

      This is the fingerprint of the bigot. Different language for different causes. Israel and the Bedouin have decades long court cases to discuss the possession of the land that the nomads had considered theirs and their claims are transferred to the ownership of new property she calls the result, ethnic cleansing

      When Jews are ethnically cleansed from countries (not nomadic sweeps of land) they had lived in for centuries, sometimes millennia, and thrown out without access to their bank balances, property, furniture or businesses she calls it an ”exodus;;, so modestly.

      Bah humbug ‘Janre’. Try to fool someone else. Your blatant antisemitism is too odorous to be hidden.

  26. NatziePampers defends robbery, lies and terror of Arabs.
    But he gives us a good insight in the thinking of thugs.

    • HaHof – This according to the advocate of ethnic cleansing is the logical conclusion of what was the Zionist project – Chilling –
      The next transfer

      You went through an interesting process. You went to research Ben-Gurion and the Zionist establishment critically, but in the end you actually identify with them. You are as tough in your words as they were in their deeds.

      “You may be right. Because I investigated the conflict in depth, I was forced to cope with the in-depth questions that those people coped with. I understood the problematic character of the situation they faced and maybe I adopted part of their universe of concepts. But I do not identify with Ben-Gurion. I think he made a serious historical mistake in 1948. Even though he understood the demographic issue and the need to establish a Jewish state without a large Arab minority, he got cold feet during the war. In the end, he faltered.”

      I’m not sure I understand. Are you saying that Ben-Gurion erred in expelling too few Arabs?

      “If he was already engaged in expulsion, maybe he should have done a complete job. I know that this stuns the Arabs and the liberals and the politically correct types. But my feeling is that this place would be quieter and know less suffering if the matter had been resolved once and for all. If Ben-Gurion had carried out a large expulsion and cleansed the whole country – the whole Land of Israel, as far as the Jordan River. It may yet turn out that this was his fatal mistake. If he had carried out a full expulsion – rather than a partial one – he would have stabilized the State of Israel for generations.”

      I find it hard to believe what I am hearing.

      “If the end of the story turns out to be a gloomy one for the Jews, it will be because Ben-Gurion did not complete the transfer in 1948. Because he left a large and volatile demographic reserve in the West Bank and Gaza and within Israel itself.”

  27. I just came back from yoga class to witness over 100 comments, mainly a back and forth “discussion” with a “Jane Mardell.” I’m not here to instruct anyone about what they should write or to whom they should respond. However, my time is valuable, and although I don’t mind engaging with someone with whom I disagree, I draw the line where it’s obvious that the other person has not come here to engage, but rather to wind people up, to purposely provoke without any real intention of genuine dialogue. I suppose it’s OK to vent, to tell “her” to be gone, etc., but beyond that it’s just a waste of time.

    In a certain way “Jane Mardell” is not different from a street person I’ve encountered in my daily walks. I was walking one morning when suddenly I heard someone yelling and screaming. I thought he was yelling at me, so I turned in his direction. This man was sitting in a cardboard box and was just yelling at no one in particular. Of course, I did not respond to him. I just kept walking.

  28. terry do not be angry Think about what Benny had to say – I can understand you are very busy – things are not going as planned and everything looks gloomy –
    The iron wall approach?

    “Yes. An iron wall is a good image. An iron wall is the most reasonable policy for the coming generation. My colleague Avi Shlein described this well: What Jabotinsky proposed is what Ben-Gurion adopted. In the 1950s, there was a dispute between Ben-Gurion and Moshe Sharett. Ben-Gurion argued that the Arabs understand only force and that ultimate force is the one thing that will persuade them to accept our presence here. He was right. That’s not to say that we don’t need diplomacy. Both toward the West and for our own conscience, it’s important that we strive for a political solution. But in the end, what will decide their readiness to accept us will be force alone. Only the recognition that they are not capable of defeating us.”

  29. Ms Mardell You are a good debater even though your period are limited to a specific conflict of Jews versus Arabs – Now would you kindly tell us who are you – how old are you what is your backround where we you educated – If you feel I am crossing the margin of privacy please forgive me and ignore my request.; What ever you think and what ever your hypothesis may be come to term with the present events ISRAEL is here to exist for how long only G’d knows as for the Arabs if they are prepared to live in the area where they are now and adopt peace versus war There will be co existence in the territory – Otherwise we are all wasting our time and precious moments “PRESENT” to expand adopt a co middle eastern/European culture and if for the sake of letting this area adopt this culture so some will suffer other will benefit – That is NOW –

  30. Elliot I think you are crossing the line when you ask me personal details. I can ask you personal questions but I will refrain. However, as to your request that I move on and accept the current oppression of the Palestinians. That is not possible. Humanity has never accepted as fait accompli any oppression no matter how unsurmountable. Some of the best moments of human history are when humanity has resisted oppression against all odds. We are not talking about what happenend in the past. We are talking about what is happening today. Whether it is the expropriation of Bedouin lands in Israel’s pre-1967 borders or the expropriation of Palestinian lands in occupied Palestine. Of course peace is desireable and both sides need to make compromises. Palestinians have already given up on 78% of historic Palestine. We do not know what Israel has compromised on as even today it is involved in expropriating Palestinian lands. Negotiations start after the seizefire and in the period of negotiation no side can continue to extend its occupation. Israel seems to think it can do both. As for adopting a Ewuropean culture, I am a great believer that when in Rome do as the Romans. This means whoever wants to remain in Palestine need to merge with what they find in Palestine and not impose any conceived superior culture. After all three monotheistic faiths originated from Palestine. Surely, there is something very stable and worthwhile to preserve in that history. Nobody has to suffer. Everybody should be able to share. Some will have to give up their privaleged position and they will feel better for it because they are maintaining that privalege at a very high human cost even for themselves. I am encouraged by the number of Israelis already deciding that they have to come to terms with the injustice done to the Palestinians and are working to redress these injustices.

    • “..when you ask me personal details”
      Quite right Tehran Jane. How can you have personal details when you are not a person, but an amalgam of characters that collectively do not possess two brain cells.
      Please carry on making the same idiotic mistakes as it makes you so easy to spot in your various guises.

      But this from your ‘post’ above is classic;
      “Some of the best moments of human history are when humanity has resisted oppression against all odds. We are not talking about what happenend in the past”
      So you write about ‘human history’ but not about what ‘happenend’ (sic) in the past?

      In your topsy-turvy World Tehran Jane where lies are truth, myths are facts, History is not what ‘happenend’ (sic) in the past but about the future.

      Tehran Jane I will ask you a question and it applies to all your guises. When you type such gibberish do you wear a red nose, flashing bow-tie and huge shoes?

      You should. If you are going to write like a clown at least dress like one as well.

      • Tehran Jane is her own clown car. There’s 12 fuckers stacked up in her brain. Some with horns. Some with squirting flowers. Heck, I bet at least one of them is a child murdering ice cream truck salesman who likes to paint drawings in his spare time. All of them have whacked out hair-dos and can’t seem to pull their pants all the way up.

        There is no escaping the Interwebz. When the end finally does come — and by End, I mean either peace on Earth or the death of Natzie Pampers — we will have a treasure trove of words of wisdom that will directly answer all those questions hundreds of years from now asking “Just how stupid and pathetic were human beings at the turn of the 21st century?”

        Fact is, the most ardent anti-Semites have been the most mentally ill wastes of space this Universe has ever produced.

    • Palestinians have already given up on 78% of historic Palestine?
      No they didn’t Palestine was never promised to the arabs . There was never an historic Palestine state which they gave up to anyone.

      • You obviously are not as well informed of the Abrahmic faiths as you think you are. I am not going to teach you but suffice it to say that Abraham is the leader among Prophets within Islam. Other Prophets include Moses, Jesus and Mohammad. The Haj is to honour Abraham. Perhaps European history does not actually inform you of the history of the Holylands except in its colonial aspects.

        Situated beneath a Saladin-era mosque converted from a large rectangular Herodian-era structure, the series of subterranean chambers is located in the heart of the old city of Hebron (Al-Khalil) in the Hebron Hills. According to tradition that has been associated with both the Book of Genesis and the Quran, the cave and adjoining field were purchased by Abraham, and Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Sarah, Rebecca, and Leah, considered the Patriarchs and Matriarchs of the Jewish people, are all believed to be buried there. The only matriarch missing is Rachel, who is believed to be buried near Bethlehem where she died in childbirth.[1] The Arabic name of the complex reflects the prominence given to Abraham, revered by Muslims as a Quranic prophet and patriarch through Ishmael. Outside biblical and Quranic sources there are a number of legends and traditions associated with the cave.

        • It is nice of you people to claim that all Hebrew prophets are muslim but they are not muslim and never where.Muhamad created Islam the same way Jesus created christianity. Jesus was born and lived in Israel muhamad was born and lived in Arabia. That;s why Mecca and Medina are the most scared places in Islam not Jerusalem and not Palestine which are most scared places in Judahism and christianity..

    • I am encouraged by the number of Israelis already deciding that they have to come to terms with the injustice done to the Palestinians and are working to redress these injustices.

      i hate to discourage you but but don;pt let the very small number of Israeli that support palestinain return to Israel misguide you. Most of us including left parties don;t support palesitnian return. It will never happan.

    • Negotiations start after the seizefire and in the period of negotiation no side can continue to extend its occupation

      But Palestinian can continue trying to murder Israelis. HOw nice for them,.

      • Now here is the real murderers alexa -as reported in the Haaretz

        Two Palestinians were shot dead by Border Police at a Nakba protest outside the Ofer Military Prison near Ramallah, Palestinian sources reported Thursday.

        • Tehran Jane so on the basis of a report in a newspaper that is a report of unnamed ‘Palestinian’, who are well known for their veracity, sources you have concluded that the Border Police, allegedly, involved are “real murderers”.

          Such a surprise that you who supports the Fascist thugs of Hamas and the kleptocrats of Fatah has never heard of the principle of the presumption of innocence.

        • Abu Latyef was killed by a Palestinian sniper while working on repairs to the Gaza border fence as a civilian contractor for the Israel Defense Ministry.

          Private Eden Atias was killed after being stabbed in the neck while on a bus in the northern Israeli city of Afula

          Hazan, a non-combat sergeant in the Air force and a Bat Yam native, was lured by a Palestinian acquaintance – Nidal Amar – to the village of Beit Amin near Qalqilya in the West Bank. Amar took Hazan to an open field, murdered him and threw the body into a well.

          Now here are few of the real murders Jane

          • So what happens to the presumption of innocence when you accuse the Palestinian of murder. Out of the window? Great that is what makes Israel an apartheid state. Have you told Haaretz about the presumption of innocence? I have not accused anybody of murder. Haaretz did that, an Israeli newspaper. Can you get the editor arrested for violating Israeli security?

            • “I have not accused anybody of murder”
              Tehran Jane in post @ 5:48 PM

              “Now here is the real murderers”
              Tehran Jane in post @ 2:35 PM

              Tehran Jane you are a LIAR as well as an idiot with absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

            • Those palestinain were found guilty in a court of law. What is more they admitted they murderd and were very proud of themselves.
              Haaretz is not really a good examle. seeing how they lied before. they remind me of the gaurdian . No one is arrested for lying in Israel however they sure are arrested in the PAS and Hamas territories for speaking the truth about their leaders.

  31. NatziePampers keep spreading the lies and fakes of Arab dictators and terrorists.

  32. The so called oppression of the Arabs in Israel is a ploy to draw attention to the area – We have heard and we still do of so many sad stories of illegal land acquisitions of the Arabs being downtrodden of their culture being eroded and so on and so on – Enough now The Palestinians administration is a well funded organisation – No one is dying of hunger – Israel is a middle eastern country it is a blend of Arab/European culture – Israel has to go ahead they can not remain in the 3rd century and through natural evolution they have created their own culture. Religion is no problem as you can believe and practice what ever you choose – This was not the case when Jerusalem was divided but now this is behind us as Jerusalem in its entirety is ISRAEL capital yet if you notice everytime there is a problem or riots it is created by the Muslim living in the area – Do not kid yoiurselves let us be specific if the Arabs ever won any conflicts they will not be an ISRAEL. The rest is all absolute a pipe dream . This end my interest on this TOPIC.

  33. Elliot, The British Empire had to go ahead and not wait for anybody. In the end it came tumbling down and so did the white Apartheid in South Africa and Rhodesia. Every oppressive and racist regime will end and so will the one that occupies Palestine. If anybody is stuck in any previous times it is the Apartheid Israel that claims its legitimacy to deluded memories of history over 2000 years old. Make up your mind is Israel a state of the Jewish people or of all the peoples of Israel? To say it is both is what shall I say rubbish. Besides how can a people who are considered a demographic threat to a state can be citizens of that state?
    One thing I agree with you on is that Israel is European in every respect and, in my opinion, it therefore needs to be geographically located in Europe. .

    • No demographic threat really. Jews were living here long before you people came here and never stoped living here. . So why dont you go back to Arabia were you came from

      • The territoies were divided between the British & French – In 1920 with the San Remo mandate the portion under the name of Palestine was allocated to the Jewish people wanting to go back to their ancestral home Simple Now Do not confuse any form of colonialisn with ISRAEL because ISRAEL is not a colony – Having lived in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe which was a British colony with special dispensation about self rules given to Lord Malvern this was rescinded in 1965 when Rhodesia declared UDI – This was a colony not ISRAEL from 1948 Israel was governing itself It did not have Britain playing mother goose ! Therefore this analagy does not apply. Prior to 1948 Jews bought lots of land from the ARABS for which they paid and they carried on after 1948 (A little more than What the ARAB paid the JEWS they kicked out of the ME) – In all fairness the total of Palestine should have been ISRAEL – The Arabs wanting to remain could have made some arrangements to retain some of their land. This was not the case and we had to put up with the likes of ARAFAT and the new mob – ISRAEL wants peace with peaceful people not assassins.

  34. Tehran Jane there is a time when comedy turns into tragedy.
    Your posts have long since gone from comic to tragic. Tragic because it is sad that someone who regards themselves as a sentient being, albeit with only two brain cells, can write such garbled gibberish.

    For example, you write “Israel is European in every respect and, in my opinion, it therefore needs to be geographically located in Europe”

    So tell me O wise one, (sarcasm intended) how do you propose to achieve the remarkable feat of geographically locating Israel in Europe?

    • “Gerald Vote with your feet – start walking”

      Tehran Jane how would that achieve the remarkable feat of geographically locating Israel in Europe?

    • Tehran Jane you really do expose your own stupidity with monotonous regularity.

      You post one of your daft posts then when questioned about it either try to run away and ignore it or post some equally daft response that contains a badly mangled phrase or saying. Occasionally you will post some ‘copy and paste’ article that has no relevance.

      Now I am going to ask you again.
      In your post above @ 3:28 AM you wrote “Israel is European in every respect and, in my opinion, it therefore needs to be geographically located in Europe.”

      For the third time of asking Tehran Jane.
      How do you propose to achieve the remarkable feat of geographically locating Israel in Europe?