General Antisemitism

Now Liberal Democrat MP Menzies Campbell blames rise of Islamic State on Israel.


Posted by Richard Millett (H/T Mel and Ambrosine)

I didn’t name Menzies Campbell MP in my last post as one of those Liberal Democrat politicians who has made comments likely to help fuel anti-Semitism in the UK, but then right on cue he goes and makes such a statement.

In a recent interview on the BBC with Andrew Neil, who is also a bit overly-obsessed with matters Jewish, Campbell said (see clip below):

“What are the causes of the rise of ISIS and Al Qaida? One of the principal causes is the fact of the continuing dispute between Israel and the Palestinians…If you’re trying to persuade 15-year old young women in Britain to go and offer themselves as brides to jihadists in Syria or Iraq one of the ways in which it’s done is to point to the oppression of the Arab people, in particular the oppression of the Palestinians…”

So while British Prime Minister David Cameron is doing his best, quite rightly, to shield British Muslims from a negative backlash in the UK by referring to Islamic State as not being Muslims Campbell is connecting British Jews, via their support for Israel, directly with Islamic State.

And then the biggest irony is that Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg has penned a statement for this week’s Jewish News in which he condemns the rise of anti-Semitism in the UK as a result of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

This is the rise that his Liberal Democrat party continues to help fuel!

Clip (apologies for sound quality):

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  1. The Libdem party would be a joke if they weren’t so viciously nasty. Their policies are so egregious one has to wonder about the sanity of the party’s supporters.

  2. Sorry Richard, I have to partially agree with Vince on this.
    With the exception that in my opinion a 15 year old is not a young woman but a teen ager I think he is partially right in his assesment.
    The problem here is that he doesn’t go the extra mile to explain why this is the case.
    He says:

    “One of the principal causes is the fact of the continuing dispute between Israel and the Palestinians…”
    Nothing incorrect here. This is but ONE of the principal causes being used time and time again by radicals to galvonise their followers for their own agenda.
    From the Iranian revolution guard to Al Shabab. This issue is being raised as a unified cause that the time of the “Mahdi is nearing” (btw not only Muslims use the new establishment of Israel and its battle with the Arabs as a sign of Armageddon or masianic age getting near).

    An example of their world view can be seen here:
    Shias believe that the arrival of the Mahdi will be signalled by the following portents:[3]
    The vast majority of people who profess to be Muslim will be so only in name despite their practice of Islamic rites and it will be they who make war with the Mahdi.
    Before his coming will come the red death and the white death, killing two thirds of the world’s population. The red death signifies violence and the white death is plague. One third of the world’s population will die from the red death and the other third from the white death.
    Several figures will appear: the one-eyed Antichrist (Masih ad-Dajjal), the Al-Harth, Al-Mansur, Shuaib bin Saleh and the Sufyani.
    There will be a great conflict in the land of Syria, until it is destroyed.
    Death and fear will afflict the people of Baghdad and `Iraq. A fire will appear in the sky and a redness will cover them.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

    “Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad surprised not only many Westerners but also many Iranians when, during his first speech at the United Nations, he prayed for the hasty return of the Hidden Imam, the Mahdi, Shi‘i Islam’s messianic figure.[1] Demonstrating his priorities, he repeated the prayer in December 2007 when addressing Arab leaders at the Gulf Cooperation Council meeting in Doha[2] but did not object when they described the Persian Gulf as Arab, a diplomatic swipe at Iran’s place in the region. Ahmadinejad’s messianism is no ploy; it is very serious indeed.[3] Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, chairman of the Guardian Council, credits Ahmadinejad with “being inspired by God.”[4]”
    http://www.meforum.org/1985/ahmadinejad-and-the-mahdi

    Sunnis are no better and can be galvonised by the following:

    “The following Hadiths and Athar about the conquest of Jerusalem seem to indicate that Muslims may conquer Jerusalem even before the Mahdi. However, all of the following Hadiths and Athar are considered weak:

    Abu Hurairah (R.A.) says that the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “(Armies carrying) Black Flags will come from Khorasan. No power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach Eelya إيلياء (Jerusalem) where they will erect their flags”. (Tirmizi)

    Ka’b bin Alqama based on Sufyan Al-Kalbi said: ” Leading the army of the Mahdi will be a young man, with light (meaning not thick) beard, yellow complexion. If he fights mountains, he would crumble them, until he lands in Eelya (Jerusalem).” (Nuaim bin Hammad’s Kitab Al-Fitan)
    Muhammad bin Al-Hanafia, said: ” A black banner (army battalion) of Bani Al-Abbas ( family of Prophet Mohammad’s صلى الله عليه وسلم uncle, Al-Abbas) will come out . Then, another black banner (army battalion) will come from Khorasan. Their turbans are black and their clothes are white. At their front end will be a man named Shuayb bin Salih, from Tamim (tribe) . They will defeat supporters of the Sufyani (and proceed further) until he (Shuayb bin Salih) arrives to Jerusalem (where) he will lay the foundation for the Mahdi’s (future) dominion. He will be supplied with three hundred (men) from AshSham (Syria). From the time, he comes out (from Khorasan) until he hands over the matter (rule) to the Mahdi, there will be seventy two months (six years).” (Nuaim Ibn Hammad’s Kitab Al-Fitan)

    Al-Haytham bin Abd-Al-Rahman narrated based someone that Ali bin Abi Taleb (r.a.), who is the cousin, son-in-law, and the 4th successor (Caliph) of Prophet Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said: ” A man will come out from the East before the Mahdi, from his Household (family), carrying a sword for 8 months, killing and maiming people. He heads toward Jerusalem and dies once he reaches (conquers) it.” (Nuaim Ibn Hammad’s Kitab Al-Fitan)

    Amr Bin Marra Al-Jamli said that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: ” ‘Surely, (armies carrying) Black Flags from Khorasan will go out until a group (of them) will tie their horse leashes to the Olive Trees between Beit Lahia (in Gaza district, Palestine) and Harasta (near Damascus, Syria).’ We said: There is not any Olive tree between these two (places)?’ He said, ‘Olive trees) will be grown there so that those people (of Khorasan) will come and tie their horses there’.” (Nuaim bin Hammad’s book Kitab Al-Fitan)

    Ibn Hawalah narrated that he Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “O’ Ibn Hawalah! If you live to see the seat of the Caliphate in Bayt Al-Maqdis (Jerusalem), then, earthquakes, disasters and great calamities are imminent. The Hour will be closer to people than this hand of mine to your head!” (Al-Haakim)”
    http://www.discoveringislam.org/end_of_israel.htm

    And of course there is the belief of Armageddon.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon

    These beliefs cannot be simply brushed aside by Vince’s statement without explaining why they see the Israeli conflict as an issue or a cause. They see Israel as the issue and not Palestinian suffering. In fact in their views the most of the Palestinian will eventually wage war on the Mahdi and so they have no true love for them. But they see the return of the Jews into post Muslim land as unacceptable.

    Then Vince says:
    “If you’re trying to persuade 15-year old young women in Britain to go and offer themselves as brides to jihadists in Syria or Iraq one of the ways in which it’s done is to point to the oppression of the Arab people, in particular the oppression of the Palestinians…”

    This is correct. This would be one of the way, as Vince rightly put it. But, why is this one of the ways, he does not say.
    The answer is simple.
    This is the only conflict in which a Muslim can easily draw simpathy from another Muslim regardless of which strand of Islam he is from.
    The reason is that the supposed “bad” actor in the Israeli Arab conflict is not a Muslim and by default it unified the Muslims.
    Omitting this from Vince’s statement is not explaining your statement and opens the door to having it being misinterpretted.

    • The statement he made was “one of the principal causes of the rise of ISIS is the Israeli Palestinian conflict”(probably not exact quote). A principal cause is a far cry from being able to recruit some 15 year old concubines and wives from Great Britain. I don’t know all that much about British politics. I do know something about antisemitism. When someone does mental contortions like that to blame the Jews, it is plainly antisemitism.

      Stan

      • I’m not sure I agree and I don’t judge to haistily but one thing is certain in my eyes.
        Mr. Campbell needed to explain further as to why the recruiters use the IP conflict as a cause for recruiting young Muslims.
        He should have touched on the rife AntiSemitic mentra in the ME media and schools, which by default spill over to the internet and to Muslims in the west who follow such reports.
        Another thing missing from his statement is that had Israel and the PA were at peace the very fact Israel exist would have been a driving force for recruiting such hardliners.

        Further more one of the massive boost ISIS received in Iraq was the corrupt attitude of the police and armed forces.
        http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/08/no-wonder-iraq-s-army-has-trouble-fighting-too-many-astronauts.html#

        Now this is why ISIS managed to gain so much ground so quickly.

        So, either Mr Campbell is Anti Semitic, reckless in his statements or just plain stupid.

        • I have to disagree – they do not care one iota about the ‘Palestinians’. ISIS have managed to starve to death over 3,000 ‘Palestinians’ in Syria so far this year, that doesn’t include the tens of thousands they have shot and beheaded.

          They do not give a tinker’s d*mn about ‘Palestinians’, nor does the rest of the Arab world that have apartheid laws against them that make the old South Africa look like bloody liberals in comparison.

        • My issue with statements like the MP’s here is a follow-on from the salient point that the Arab-Israeli conflict is a cheap rallying area/recruiting tool for extremists (it’s rarely heartfelt and almost entirely cynical, but it would be insane to argue that it isn’t used and that it doesn’t work for them). The clear subtext of Mr. Campbell and is ilk when tying in a regional crisis to the I/P conflict is 99/% of the time a combination of A) Israel is at fault for said conflict and therefore any violence connected to it, even if that violence is not inside the I/P area and B) Israel therefore needs at the very least to make all the concessions and pretty much declare defeat to the Palestinians, and while a humiliating forced two-state settlement would be nice, a one-state settlement that turned Israel into the 23rd ME Muslim state would be much better. That’s the recipe for turning an immediate area crisis into an implicit scenario where Israel has to at to solve it, and since this has been tried by so many assholes under so many disparate situations, it’s impossible to respect and not worthy of being taken seriously. An I/P permanent peace settlement would reduce (not eliminate, not by a long shot) violence in the Middle East, but that’s not what MP Campbell is talking about, and intelligent observers know that.

      • A child bride whose under age? The police here would certainly be onto that – though mind you the word ‘Rotherham’ springs to mind .

    • “Nothing incorrect here. This is but ONE of the principal causes being used time and time again by radicals to galvanize their followers for their own agenda.”

      You mean appealing to their already artificially (top down) ginned up hate for Israel and Jews? Come on, give it a rest.

  3. The Arab League strategy has been to sacrifice the Palestinian Arabs in order to further its grandiose dreams of a Muslim world, but leaders of most countries have persisted in ignoring the solution. 865,000 Jews from Muslim countries(Mizrahi Jews). were made refugees as a consequence of the Palestinian 1948 defeat. The Arab world is 660 times the size of Israel. Surely there must be room there for the Palestinian Arabs who speak the same language and have the same religion. The UK, UN and US Congress have all taken official notice of the Mizrahi issue. Why not resolve both issues together as prescribed by all the above agencies. 25 million people1946-48 were moved in Central Europe and India.

  4. If ISIS’ behavior is somehow related to what Israel does, why are they so busy murdering so many Muslims and Christians?
    Menzie’s idiotic statements reveal: 1. His bigotry 2. his stupidity and 3. He basically represents the wrong end of a horse.
    He should be called out publicly for his obviously idiotic yet incendiary remarks.

    • Exactly. Israel allows for both Islam and Christianity to be practised and tolerated within its borders. Not so the so-called Islamic State.

  5. The primary way in which the Israeli-Arab conflict contributes to ISIS is by the ISIS terrorists knowing that everyone only cares what Israel is doing. They know that as long as the West is content and distracted in condemning Israel then they can do whatever they want. It is the disproportionate attention that stupid people like Menzies Campbell directs toward Israel that encourages ISIS.

  6. Bearing in mind Sir Menzies’ comments above and other issues that the Liberals and later the Lib-Dems have championed, are we surprised that they have fallen from being a respectable party of government to, at best, third place if not worst in recent elections and by-elections? Even the MP Mike Thornton did not win Eastleigh by a huge majority, but a respectable figure nevertheless.