General Antisemitism

Ken Livingstone’s chopped liver


Cross posted from the blog of the CST

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Ken Livingstone is a left-wing anti-Nazi anti-racist former Mayor of London. David Irving is not, but was briefly famous for having lost a Holocaust Denial trial. Livingstone and Irving could never be accused of being natural bedfellows. There are, however, similarities:   

  • First, a strange and unpleasant compulsion to keep talking about Hitler, Nazis and the Holocaust.
  • Second, a troubling tendency to spin historical facts and contexts.
  • Third, a curious over-reliance upon unreliable sources.
  • Fourth, an unfortunate habit of making their enemies’ points for them. 
  • Fifth, further to all of the above, when in a hole, they just keep on digging. 
  • Sixth, a new point of similarity. The offering of prizes to those who can prove them wrong. For Irving, it was £1,000 for documentation showing Hitler knew of the Holocaust. For Livingstone, it is “a free meal for anyone who can prove what I said was wrong”. 

Even with the price of kosher food these days, Livingstone’s offer falls some way short of Irving’s.

The serious point, however, is to question whether or not Livingstone is even serious in his offer. What, for example, does he mean by “prove what I said was wrong”? Here is what he said:

[BBC interviewer] Vanessa Feltz: She [Naz Shah] talked about relocating Israel to America. She talked about what Hitler did being legal. And she talked about the Jews rallying. And she used the words Jews, not Israelis or Israel. You didn’t find that to be antisemitic?

Ken Livingstone: No. It’s completely over the top [but] it’s not antisemitic. Let’s remember, when Hitler won his election in 1932 his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism. [He then] went mad and ending up killing 6 million Jews.

Ought we to prove that Ken Livingstone, a veteran anti-Nazi anti-racist, was wrong to say that Hitler’s madness only began when the Nazis started shooting Jews into death pits, developing gassing vans and then ending up with gas chambers.

Prove that he, an anti-racist, was wrong to turn a sensitive debate about antisemitism into his usual crass accusation that it is all, as ever, “a very well orchestrated campaign by the Israel lobby to smear anybody who criticises Israeli policy as antisemitic”. (The quote is taken from the same BBC interview with him, but is his usual shtick, so much so that these evasions are now called The Livingstone Formulation.)  

Prove that he, an anti-Nazi anti-racist, was wrong to echo the offence that he has made before to Jews, regarding Nazis.

Prove that he, an anti-Nazi anti-racist, should not be trying to somehow shoehorn Zionism and Nazism together, as if they are in cahoots.

Prove that he, an anti-Nazi anti-racist, should not risk sounding as if the moral stain lies with those who would have saved European Jews, by giving them physical refuge from Hitler.

Prove that he is wrong to keep on citing the warped historiography of a far left anti-Zionist propagandist, whose work lacks historical context, balance and accuracy. A propagandist who has been debunked by many real historians, including David Irving’s nemesis Deborah Lipstadt, see here and here by Michael Burleigh.

Finally, prove that he, a leading anti-racist, is morally and politically wrong to risk sounding as if he, relishes baiting Jews – as if he still regards their sincere concerns about modern day antisemitism as only being so much chopped liver

26 replies »

  1. Does Livingstone’s offer of a free meal mean having to share a table with him? That would cause many to lose their appetites anyway.

  2. Very soon Friend Bellend will be in posting about the evils of the CST and the people behind it.
    Even more than he normally does he will be behaving like a rabid version of one of Pavlov’s dogs.

    • I would not say that the CST are evil. I am not much into good and evil. I would say they are as bent as a wad of £9 notes. I wonder what the Muslims that they claim to seek partnership with think of them cross posting here. No wonder they have no credibility among Muslims. Fascinating stuff.

      • Why Friend Bellend you are “…not much into good and evil…” yet last September you were proclaiming your Christianity and long standing membership of the Society of Friends, remember;

        “OPEN LETTER TO THE BISHOP OF GUILDFORD

        Dear Bishop Watson

        As a Christian and long standing member of The Religious Society of Friends ( Quakers ), I was horrified to see your latest press release on the subject of Rev Stephen Sizer. You might say that discipline in the Church of England is none of my business. My response would be that it is at least as much my business as it is the business of Jonathan Arkush…”

        So was the claim in your letter a lie, or did even the Quakers get pissed off with your anti-Semitism and throw you out?

      • “I would say they are as bent as a wad of £9 notes. No wonder they have no credibility among Muslims. Fascinating stuff.”
        Bellamy,
        If you sprinkled yourself with salt you’d be a pretzel.

    • In case anyone thinks that I was exaggerating about Friend Bellend’s antipathy towards the CST, this is from his website “BedWettersRuS”

      “Take a good look at Mark Gardner of the CST, the second most dangerous man in the country, if you care at all about your civil liberties.”

      The second most dangerous man in the country!

        • So Friend Bellend you despise Israel, and you despise the CST.
          Are there anymore Jewish or Israeli organisations you despise?

          • Goodness where to start. The BoD the Jlc Jewish labour Oh and the twin pillars of the Zionist gutter press. the jc and jewish news

            This is just for starters you understand.

            • Friend Bellend I understand you and your anti-Semitic kind very well.
              Before you bleat on about throwing around accusations of anti-Semitism to stop or close down debate on Israel, just look at your posts on this thread alone and there is sufficient evidence of your anti-Semitism.

            • Dullamy, You missed your calling writing for Der Guardian.

              Keep eating your heart out as Muslims flood into the UK – and Israel stays strong.

              Rest assured that the scorpion will eventually sting and kill you.

  3. One small point, or perhaps not such a small point. Hitler, despite a brutal and violent pre-election campaign, did not actually win the election in 1933. He got 43.9% of the vote and had to form a coalition to rule Germany.

  4. Livingstone is a one-book man on this subject: he was plugging Brenner when he was the (unelected) leader of the GLC in the 1980s and mentions in his memoirs that he was “shocked” by the “revelations” made by Brenner about Labour Zionist leaders… The Palestinian Arabs are utterly compromised by their historical associations with the Nazis, but this never seems quite to matter.