Irish Independent

Leading Irish newspaper honours Israel-Nazi comparison as “letter of the week”


As we noted in the following tweet, editors at The Irish Independent, the country’s largest-selling daily newspaper, chose, as it’s letter of the week published on Jan. 7th, an anti-Israel screed which includes a comparison between the Nazi treatment of Jews and Israel’s treatment of Palestinians.

In addition to the incendiary, anti-historical and intellectually unserious nature of the suggestion that Israeli “atrocities” against Palestinians are anywhere in the same moral universe as Nazi atrocities against the Jews, such comparisons are codified as antisemitic by the EU Parliament and the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, of which Ireland is a member.

Moreover, note that the Editors’ Code published by the Press Council of Ireland includes a Prejudice clause (Principle 8), which reads as follows:

Principle 8 − Prejudice

The press shall not publish material intended or likely to cause grave offence or stir up hatred against an individual or group on the basis of their race, religion, nationality, colour, ethnic origin, membership of the travelling community, gender, sexual orientation, marital status, disability, illness or age.

We urge our Irish readers to consider lodging a complaint with the Press Council’s Ombudsman under the terms of Principle 8. 

Information on how to do so can be found here

73 replies »

  1. The letter writer must have a very elastic definition of the word “similar” which must include things that are simply incomparable. If he has an issue with the so-called refugee camps, he should take the matter up with UNWRA. If he has an issue with real legal discrimination against Palestinian Arabs, he should direct his ire toward Lebanon and Iraq, among others, rather than Israel.
    That none of this apparently occurs to him says a lot about him.

  2. The writer of the letter Edward Horgan is from Limerick, the only place in the British Isles to have hosted a pogrom (1904). Maybe the writer is descended from some of the participants. Amusingly the prize for his “best letter” is three bottles of Irish liqueur whiskey. It seems that Mr Horgan may have consumed an equivalent level of alcohol before he actually wrote his literary masterpiece.

    • Michael when you write “the only place in the British Isles to have hosted a pogrom” you cannot be serious.

      Have you not heard of one of the most infamous that took place in York in March 1190, a century before the expulsion of the Jews in 1290?
      Or what about the anti-Jewish riots across Britain in 1947? (A link to the events is below)
      https://www.newstatesman.com/2012/05/britains-last-anti-jewish-riots

      I don’t excuse or forget what happened in Limerick in 1904. But to write that it was “the only place in the British Isles to have hosted a pogrom” Is stretching the truth and glossing over shameful events that happened in other parts of Britain.

      • I should have said “since the return of Jews to England in 1656”. However I was in fairness referring to the British Isles rather than the England of the middle ages. As for 1947 I personally don’t believe that those riots amounted to pogroms. Indeed my own synagogue suffered damage then with smashed windows. That happened again less than two years ago but also was not a pogrom.

        • Michael I respect your opinion.
          But when, among other instances, I read the following in the article and I quote “Arsonists in West Derby set fire to a wooden synagogue; workers at Canada Dock in Liverpool returned from the holidays to find “Death to all Jews” painted above the entrance. And in Eccles, a former sergeant major named John Regan was fined £15 for telling a crowd of 700: “Hitler was right. Exterminate every Jew – every man, woman and child. What are you afraid of? There’s only a handful of police.” ”
          Then I am drawn to the logical conclusion that the term ‘pogrom’ was probably accurate.

  3. Yes indeed I believe Eamonn de Valera sent a letter of condolence to Doenitz after the death of the Fuehrer, but hey let’s forgive and forget. It was all such a long time ago.

    • Yes, we should forgive, but never FORGET!
      I am also recalling Joseph Kennedy’s ( father of JFK ) feelings for Der Fuehrer….

        • This habit of yours to try and sneak a comment in about President Trump is getting old besides it’s outright ignorance and ugly prejudice.
          Trump is clearly not Henry Ford. Please keep your wild fantasies about Mr. Trump as antisemite extrraordinare to yourself or post them at a website where they might be relevant. This is not the place.

          • Say, Jeff, did I respond to a commenter discussing how the Kennedy family is connected to Nazism? I did, Jeff. That’s exactly what I did.

            Say, Jeff, did Trump just say that all African countries and Haiti are shitholes? Did he just openly whine about why America can’t attract immigrants from Norway?

            Say, Jeff, you want to make more empty comebacks regarding my sticking up for “Libs”, “Dems”, and other creatures of your discomfort?

            Come on, Jeff. Say it. Tell me what you really mean, Chief.

            • Yes, oh, of course.
              My name is not “Chief”. Your progressive friends should inform you that that is a disrespectful name for Native Americans.
              And, of course, because you are so emotional and deeply into your own confirmation biases, you completely missed the point. This is a website dedicated to covering the bias of British media coverage of Israel. It’s not a platform for your biased take on American politics. If you wanted to weigh in on the American gov’t.’s policies concerning Israel, that would at least be defensible.
              But I do wonder why you are more than eager to jump for any bait that portrays Trump as ultimate racist while you’re busy covering for the Western progressive left, i.e., the largest racist movement in the world today, after the jihad. Alas, the Western progressive left is an illiberal “shithole”. Censorship over free speech, group rights over the rights of the individual with a hierarchy of privilege for virtuous victim groups, races, genders. Humanitarian racism, anti-white racism, and antisemitic anti-zionism. Perhaps you just don’t wish to see the evidence.

              BTW, Haiti is a bit of a dump, isn’t it? No one remembers Trump using “shithole,” and it’s not one I would usually use, but Haiti is kind of a dump, ain’t it? On the other hand, I have met many Haitians in my lifetime and find them lovely people. Lovely, well-mannered people, but lousy country. There you have it. Am I a racist? How about Gaza? Remind you of the Emerald City or is there something a bit seedy about the place?
              Come on, kf. Say it. Tell me what you really mean, without me denigrating you after the comma.

              • jeff21st speaking as a proud member of the ‘Western progressive left’ and an ‘illiberal shithole’ can I thank you for the compliment. Perhaps you should use my late Grandmother’s favourite description of me “a little commie bastard” that is far more accurate and appropriate.
                As for your remark ‘No one remembers Trump using “shithole,” ‘ Tut, Tut jeff21st Senator Dick Durbin who was present at the meeting clearly does.
                I agree with you about “This is a website dedicated to covering the bias of British media coverage of Israel” and have raised it before with Adam. Don’t you think it is ironic that you should now raise it on a thread about a newspaper in Ireland.

                • Gerald,
                  I’m sorry to hear you take such pride in being illiberal and a marxist.
                  But the truth is that koufaxmitzvah has been doing this hit and run thing for quite a long time now, well before the Trump presidency, well before the Trump campaign, and as far as I know, before Trump was even a gleam in his father’s eye.
                  And no, I don’t see the irony. What I see is koufaxmitzvah acting out yet again irrespective of the topic at hand. That’s my whole point. You say you’ve taken up the OT stuff with Adam before, yet you are rushing to defend koufaxmitzvah who is a serial violator. You’re not his mother, you know.

                  • jeff21st, don’t be sorry “Rejoice!, rejoice! ” as a former PM of the UK once said. William Shakespeare (he was a well known English writer jeff21st) wrote “To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man.” Good advice and worth following.

                    Thank you for the advice in your last sentence, but I am well aware I’m not koufaxmitzvah’s Mother. Didn’t they teach you Biology at your school?
                    You are correct, I am not koufaxmitvah’s Mother and koufaxmitzvah is not the Messiah, but he is a very naughty boy.

                    • I wonder what Shakespeare would think of you quoting him, in effect cheapening his writing, in order to bolster your juvenile remarks? (rhetorical)

                    • “I wonder what Shakespeare would think of you quoting him, in effect cheapening his writing, in order to bolster your juvenile remarks?”
                      I don’t know, and as he is dead and can’t sue I don’t care.

              • Jeff outing himself as a Trump apologist. Can’t say I’m surprised.

                Haiti doesn’t seem to bother the IDF who are still out there helping their communities. But you’re a one trick pony, Jeff. There are things you simply don’t understand.

                My favorite nonsense from you, though, is how no one remembers him saying Shithole (except for all the people that did; but those are Dems, right? Out to get that poor, pitiful D.C. outsider who has been bilking the US coffers); and, of course, to not call you Chief.

                I know you haven’t been paying attention since I’ve been saying what I’ve been meaning this whole freaking time. The people who side with Israel just because Israel makes Arabs angry, really aren’t our friends. And I’ve been saying that Israel is a bipartisan interest in the U.S., and that rambunctious Republicans such as yourself and Leah and our good friend Crazy Eddie (remember that guy? I do; he had a lasting impression, wouldn’t you say?) are short-sighted hypocrites of the highest order.

                Let me know if you want me to type that slower for you.

                • “Jeff outing himself as a Trump apologist. Can’t say I’m surprised.”
                  This complete and utter nonsense. You’re not surprised? You don’t even know what you’re talking about.

                  “Haiti doesn’t seem to bother the IDF who are still out there helping their communities.”
                  I’m glad. Haiti doesn’t bother me either. Explain the relevance to my complaint about you.

                  “But you’re a one trick pony, Jeff. ”
                  You are certainly projecting.

                  “but those are Dems, right? Out to get that poor, pitiful D.C. outsider who has been bilking the US coffers);”
                  ROFLMAO

                  “There are things you simply don’t understand.”
                  I have probably forgotten more things than you are ever likely to know.

                  “rambunctious Republicans such as yourself”
                  I’m not a Republican and never have been. That is your incorrect assumption, i.e., a knee-jerk reaction. One of many, I’m afraid.

                  “I know you haven’t been paying attention”

                  I pay very close attention to what you say all the time. I take you very seriously. This is not always a compliment to you. And many times I agree with you 100% percent and give you all those cute little up votes with the stars. But, you know, I don’t have to agree with you all the time, do I? Is it a rule that I either must follow your orthodoxy or I love Trump and am a racist?

                  Yes, I should have written about Dick Durbin. (Hey, isn’t Durbin the name of that place in SA where they came up with all that “Israel apartheid” crap? Just sayin’. And is the fact that the SA government allowed that to go on, and it’s a majority black country, and that I’m calling them out for that antisemitic nonsense make me a racist?) I was in a rush and being a bit sloppy. I was trying to say that there were reports of others who remembered differently. But that’s not the point. I’m not defending Trump’s use of the term. I find it vulgar for a president to talk that way. But I’m certainly allowed to use that term, even though it’s not the term I would choose. Politicians can’t afford to be vulgar, they need to be smooth like Obama when they sell you out.

                  “Let me know if you want me to type that slower for you.”
                  That remark is not beneath you (it’s the very gutter where you live), but it is beneath me. Catching on yet? You think with your balls. Try giving your brain a chance. Life can be beautiful.

                  • This is what the team at QI, a BBC Quiz/Comedy show, have written on Twitter about the term ‘shithole’ countries.

                    “Many news organizations struggled to translate “shithole” countries. In Taiwan, it was rendered as “countries where birds don’t lay eggs”, in Japan as “countries that are dirty like toilets”, and in Croatia as “places where wolves have sex”.


              • VarAway
                January 9, 2018 at 11:45 am

                8 Votes

                Yes, we should forgive, but never FORGET!
                I am also recalling Joseph Kennedy’s ( father of JFK ) feelings for Der Fuehrer…. ”

                Again, this is what I had responded to, Chief. Feel free to direct me to the references of British journalism I seem to be missing.

            • “Trump is clearly not Henry Ford. Please keep your wild fantasies about Mr. Trump as antisemite extrraordinare to yourself or post them at a website where they might be relevant. This is not the place.”

              So much winning in your comment, that I believe your family ought to respond with an intervention. All the Fox News you’ve watched has gone to your head, Slick. (See how I refrained from calling you Chief. It’s because I felt you should have your very own nickname refrain. Hope you like it!)

          • Funny how you clowns spent 8 years whining about Obama being a super secret Muslim from Kenya, but me bringing up Trump’s obvious racist banter and love for Nazism is just too much for you to swallow.

            Poor Jeff. The only people more pitiful than you are MFer and his roving gang of dead Palestinian children.

            • koufaxmitzvah, calm down and be patient.
              The wave of ‘populism’ that swept across parts of Europe and the USA over the last two years has reached its high water mark.
              This year will see the tide turn. Then remember the words of SunTzu,
              ““If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”

              Enjoy the wait, I definitely will.

            • Funny how you denigrate anyone who vote for Obama, and then disagreed with his awful foreign policy as a “clown,” a “racist,” or someone without any great intellectual heft.
              Poor koufaxmeshuga. He really believes that life is a struggle between Socialists and racists. Pitiful.

                  • Very adult post, which keeps up the level you sank to above. “Poor koufaxmeshuga”
                    If you want to bully others then it is fair game to bully you jerkoff21st.
                    Juvenile? Definitely anything else would be way above your level.

                    • leah27z if you don’t understand the meaning of the content of my post then refrain from commenting or you just make yourself seem stupid.

                    • I was plagiarizing a koufaxmitzvah original comment from an earlier thread.
                      You can look it up! That’s right! You’ve now been hoisted on your own petard.

                      All this was an effort to return to your buddy the “gifts” he keeps on giving. I find it all quite distasteful, so I will resist sinking to your level and won’t call you “comrade Gerkov” (for that nice little double entendre).

                      Now, here’s the question. Why are you doing this?

                    • Don’t like it when your own failings are pointed out do you?
                      So your inspired response to my post is “somebody else did it, I was just copying them” pathetic and juvenile.
                      As I have already pointed out to you in my post above, trying to converse with you in any level above juvenile is well above the level of your intellect, therefore a complete waste of effort and my time.

                      Carry on behaving like a playground bully and you will get what you deserve.

                  • You still don’t make any sense, Jeffy. So act like a rabid dog. Howl all day long about how big bad mean and liberal Koufaxmitzvah ruined your day by pointing out your own hypocrisy especially when you pout about Der Drumpf not getting the respect you expect him to receive. After all, he likes to be doused in Russian hooker pee. I mean, how could a self-loving and entirely proper man like you not give that guy a chance. Especially since he’s the guy who spent 8 years accusing Obama of being a super secret Muslim from Kenya. I mean, I get it. You really believe that. Otherwise you and your lovely Leah wouldn’t have howled about it throughout the Obama term.

                    Good times with Jeff! Lift your leg, Slick, and let it all out! That oughta make your day go better.

                    Grrrrrrrrrr…… Howwwwwwlllll

                    • The rabid dog bit was me quoting one of your intensely “intellectual” comments. Apparently, you don’t even recognize your own work.

                      “Howl all day long about how big bad mean and liberal koufaxmitzvah ruined your day by pointing out your own hypocrisy especially when you pout about Der Drumpf not getting the respect you expect him to receive.”

                      Either substantiate this slander or apologize. Do one or the other.

                      What is it exactly that you find liberal about putting words into the mouths of others in order to denigrate and denounce them? Let me answer for you. There is absolutely nothing liberal about it. It has a rather different pedigree.

                      Are you even aware that you are doing this?

                    • Gerald,
                      The fact is I was simply reposting a juvenile comment by k. Sorry, but you can’t have it both ways.

                    • So koufaxmitzvah posted, “Poor koufaxmeshuga” ?
                      Really where and when did he post that, I missed it.

                      As for your comment about “you can’t have it both ways.” That is risible. If you are claiming that you are trying to improve, or just objecting to remarks in the posts of others, then do you really believe the best way of doing that is to copy them?
                      I think it was an American who said, “When they go low, we go high.”

                      Now enough of the circular firing squad, can we get back to fighting those who seek to undermine Israel?

    • Not true of the government at least. Despite being neutral they were far more cooperative with the allies than the axis. For instance, any British pilots crash landing over the republic were quietly escorted to the border with Northern Ireland, whereas any German pilot was interned in the Curragh until the end of the war.

  4. Getting back to the subject of the discussion, the anti Israel anti Semitic letter. I would love to know where did the author get his “information “ from! Israel,being the only democratic state in the whole Middle East, with guaranteed civil rights and religious freedom for all is accused of being an apartheid state?! Might I suggest said author consult a good dictionary and perhaps he would learn the true meaning of apartheid. Also, where are the concentration camps in Israel?why haven’t we seen reports of mass executions and the wholesale gassing of internees? Shame on this publication for printing this pack of lies!

    • Seamus, the letter writter doesn’t need real facts. He has his own “facts”. Consulting a good dictionary, as you suggest, would not help. Remember the saying, “My mind is made up. Please don’t confuse me with the facts.” This holds true for him as it does for too many others.

      • Gerald the EP don’t codify anything. The use of the word is a wilful attempt to give the impression that they past a law.It is just a talking shop.

        Leaving aside the fact that IHRA ” definition” is a heap of bullshit, it doesn’t say that anything is a ” form of antisemitism”

        • “Gerald the EP don’t codify anything. The use of the word is a wilful attempt to give the impression that they past (sic) a law.It is just a talking shop”

          Stephen, Stephen, are you being deliberately ignorant because you cannot justify your accusation of a ‘Simple lie’?

          Your description of the actions and powers of the European Parliament are completely wrong. All you have to do is study the Ordinary Legislative Procedure introduced by the Maastricht Treaty (1992) extended by the Amsterdam Treaty (1999) and subsequently the Lisbon Treaty (2009), to see how wrong you are.

          Now I will ask you once again Stephen, what is a lie?

  5. For a meaningful comparison with Nazi death camps and slave-labour camps, the Irish Free State’s newspapers should look to the cover-up of its own baby-killer nuns of Tuam, County Galway with up to 800 bodies discovered last year. Then there were the Magdalene slave-labour laundries for illegitimate children, only closed in the 1970s.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/mass-grave-of-babies-and-children-found-at-tuam-orphanage-in-ireland

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Laundries_in_Ireland

    • Oh; and let us also remember the Dublin Magdalene death camp mass grave of 133 corpses found even closer than Galway to the home of The Irish Independent, published from Talbot Street in Dublin, and surely worth a Nazi comparison:

      “…Mass grave
      In Dublin in 1993, the Sisters of Our Lady of Charity had lost money in share dealings on the stock exchange; to cover their losses, they sold part of the land in their convent to a property developer.[clarification needed] This led to the discovery of 133 corpses in a mass grave….”(Wikipedia)

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s